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re: Could What Is Happening In Portland Happen In A Southern City?
Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:34 am to The Spleen
Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:34 am to The Spleen
There’s way more MAGA country boys in the South than there are Proud Boys in Portland.
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Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:36 am to teddybenchwarmer
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Get a George Floyd type incident to happen in New Orleans and I guarantee it would be worse than Minneapolis.
Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think the majority of black people care as much people assume. Sure, there are black people who buy into it all, but I have heard black people say worse things than white people in some of these situation.
Not so much with George Floyd because no matter what, there was no excuse for that officer to be on his neck for over 8 mins. There was something about the video that made that situation feel personal. And I completely agree with that one. I don't care what he did, Derek Chauvin was a bitch and should go to jail.
But most of the ones that the media tries to blow up, I guarantee you if you talked to the average black dude you would be surprised. You would probably get something along the lines of "Why should I care about that -----? All of these kids out there all worked up then turn around and kill each other".
I really don't think that would happen in New Orleans. I remember lil Wayne said on his show that he didn't understand why people was protesting, that shite used to be everyday where he grew up (police ruffing up people, getting shot.. He kind of insinuated it was like a war the streets vs police and "it was what it was").
Its these white ultra liberal fricks who need to fill some void in their life and need to feel like they are important and they they can use their voice to speak for black people. But the white ultra liberal should be seen as a bigger threat than anyone.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:39 am to PrimeTime Money
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There’s way more MAGA country boys in the South than there are Proud Boys in Portland.
Sure, but at least here in Alabama, most of them are all talk. They have no interest in venturing into downtown Birmingham for a concert or sporting event, much less fighting people.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:44 am to OweO
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But most of the ones that the media tries to blow up, I guarantee you if you talked to the average black dude you would be surprised. You would probably get something along the lines of "Why should I care about that -----? All of these kids out there all worked up then turn around and kill each other".
Maybe you should go talk to some then, because that has NOT been my experience with the black neighbors and colleagues I've talked to about it. And these are all successful black men and women in their 40's and 50's. The overarching theme I get from them is they're tired. Tired of seeing these things happen, tired of explaining to white people why it upsets them, tired of telling white people of the conversations they have with their kids about police, and tired of the backlash that always comes after these events.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:45 am to The Spleen
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I have a childhood friend, and a cousin, that both live in Portland and that is not the picture they portray of it. Friend grew up in Alabama, graduated from Georgia Tech, and lives a relatively boring suburban life, while working downtown. He is liberal, but despises the Antifa folks. Cousin grew up in Ohio and identifies as libertarian. Also hates the Antifa folks.
Both say the protests and riots have been very isolated to certain streets and blocks, with an occasional one spilling into other areas of the city. Neither have expressed any fear or trepidation with going about their day to day life, though both admit there are problems with local leadership and police, and those problems have contributed to the current environment.
I get the point you're trying to make here, but these things aren't mutually exclusive.
It's absolutely true that Portland is a hub for leftist extremism and they have bars, restaurants, coffee shops, bookstores, etc. that cater to the radical crowd. Hence, those people can do a lot of things in Portland they can't do in Birmingham and never really have to deal with "normal" life.
But you can simultaneously accept that and believe the protests/riots aren't really dominating Portland and are instead isolated to a few neighborhoods.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:47 am to OweO
Atlanta maybe
But probably not as long as they have a strong GOP governor. If Stacey Abrams had won all bets would be off there
But probably not as long as they have a strong GOP governor. If Stacey Abrams had won all bets would be off there
This post was edited on 9/22/20 at 9:49 am
Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:50 am to The Spleen
Well I’m tired of hearing about this bullshite too so we should all get along
Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:51 am to The Pirate King
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but the youth of today will be adults soon enough, and with social media, there’s probably more radical people all over than ever before.
I’m not so sure about this and maybe I’m dead wrong. My 17 year old son and 20 year old daughter seem to be able to sift through all the BS news and call a spade a spade. My kids and a lot of their peers, including their black friends, seem to think this is just not right. Protesting is fine with them but what’s going on in a lot of these other cities is crossing the line. Seems to me these kids are a lot smarter than many of us think.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:52 am to CatfishJohn
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I think white people in the North don't understand Southern black culture at all.
This is a fact.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:52 am to CatfishJohn
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shite, they're still very unaccepting of LGBT people.
Like everyone in America there are more blacks that are more acceptable of the alphabet people (as Dave Chapelle calls them), but you talk to a strong christian, go to church every weekend black folk.. And they don't even hold in what they think.. They are not at all accepting of the alphabet people..
What's funny is that I went to school with a few black dudes who.. While they never came out or no one really said it to them... because it was just that obvious they were gay as frick. And they were all big into their church.
But behind their back, it was a big joke "you know you want to stay late at church Sunday so _________ can give you that one on one holy spirit" or "I bet you go early to church so you can get some one on one choir practice in with ___________ where he will make you hit that high note"..
Thinking back to when I was in HS, in today's word we would be considered neanderthals.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:52 am to Pelican fan99
The vulnerability for Atlanta is racial frenzy. But the advantage Atlanta has in that regard is that a lot of black people a) have stuff to lose or b) are too concerned with a life of hard knocks to care much about what silly white people are trying to motivate them to do.
Until this year it really kept he lid on many issues around here during the strife of prior unrest.
But increasingly it looks like sustained chaos requires white pseudo-intellectual radicals, and we just don't have enough in Atlanta. We have plenty of leftists, but a lot of them have families and jobs and they can't afford to go throwing molotov cocktails at cop cars like people might do in Brooklyn or Portland.
Until this year it really kept he lid on many issues around here during the strife of prior unrest.
But increasingly it looks like sustained chaos requires white pseudo-intellectual radicals, and we just don't have enough in Atlanta. We have plenty of leftists, but a lot of them have families and jobs and they can't afford to go throwing molotov cocktails at cop cars like people might do in Brooklyn or Portland.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:54 am to The Spleen
Just my opinion, but it would be a lot more difficult from the outset. Not just because the people are less likely to tolerate what took place in Seattle / Portland- but because law enforcement wouldn't either, and they usually do a much better job of keeping the crazies in check. Better use of intelligence, and better use of assets at their disposal- including agency cooperation. Much greater chance of violence being answered. Quickly.
In other words, don't look for an agency like the EBR Sheriff's Office to give rioters their substation on a platter.
In other words, don't look for an agency like the EBR Sheriff's Office to give rioters their substation on a platter.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:55 am to Earthquake 88
quote:We live in the Seattle area and my son is like a 16 yo Newt Gingrich. When all the authority figures are ultra-liberal the only way for a teenager to rebel is by going full GOP.
I’m not so sure about this and maybe I’m dead wrong. My 17 year old son and 20 year old daughter seem to be able to sift through all the BS news and call a spade a spade. My kids and a lot of their peers, including their black friends, seem to think this is just not right. Protesting is fine with them but what’s going on in a lot of these other cities is crossing the line. Seems to me these kids are a lot smarter than many of us think.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 10:01 am to The Spleen
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Maybe you should go talk to some then, because that has NOT been my experience with the black neighbors and colleagues I've talked to about it. And these are all successful black men and women in their 40's and 50's. The overarching theme I get from them is they're tired. Tired of seeing these things happen, tired of explaining to white people why it upsets them, tired of telling white people of the conversations they have with their kids about police, and tired of the backlash that always comes after these events.
THIS. I’ve made it a point to talk to my black friends about everything because I don’t want to assume I know how they feel. All of them are educated, professional working people with families and similar interests as the rest of us in the south.
They’re more or less tired of feeling profiled and targeted. And they are, it’s no lie. I’m sure that’s not a popular opinion here. If I had a black son I know for a fact I would be far more nervous about him getting stopped by police than I would my white son, even if he acted perfectly, was clean cut and did nothing wrong. There ARE some bad cops and they’re the reason the black community feels the way they do about police.
However, my black friends also recognize that there are probably majority good cops but the bad ones are truly a cancer and do need eradication from the force. The problem is that sometimes you don’t always know that about a person until an act is committed.
ps: they also recognize the problems with violence in their own community but that doesn’t detract from their concern with police, as well. I get where they’re coming from.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 10:01 am to OweO
Gross
Posted on 9/22/20 at 10:03 am to Pettifogger
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I get the point you're trying to make here, but these things aren't mutually exclusive.
It's absolutely true that Portland is a hub for leftist extremism and they have bars, restaurants, coffee shops, bookstores, etc. that cater to the radical crowd. Hence, those people can do a lot of things in Portland they can't do in Birmingham and never really have to deal with "normal" life.
Yeah, in re-reading your post I realize I misunderstood your point. I do agree in Portland, and in at least a handful of other large cities, it's possible to isolate oneself to a liberal bubble. I think that can happen here in Birmingham, to an extent. Obviously it's going to be much smaller here, and likely not as airtight, but it's possible. One of our big clients is a very liberal non-profit. One of the guys I work with regularly there has no concept of how conservative suburban Birmingham is. He rarely leaves downtown Birmingham, and when he does it's to drive to Atlanta or Nashville or somewhere.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 10:03 am to OweO
That shite aint happening in Florida. Governor Desantis just introduced bipartisan legislation heavily backing law enforcement and beefing up jail/prison time for anyone participating in rioting and or looting. Also will have RICO authority for any person or group that comes to Florida to promote or incite violent or destructive acts against people, private property and monuments.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 10:05 am to OysterPoBoy
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I hope she's documenting that mole annually.
Really needs to get that checked out
Posted on 9/22/20 at 10:09 am to Pettifogger
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The vulnerability for Atlanta is racial frenzy. But the advantage Atlanta has in that regard is that a lot of black people a) have stuff to lose or b) are too concerned with a life of hard knocks to care much about what silly white people are trying to motivate them to do.
Until this year it really kept he lid on many issues around here during the strife of prior unrest.
But increasingly it looks like sustained chaos requires white pseudo-intellectual radicals, and we just don't have enough in Atlanta. We have plenty of leftists, but a lot of them have families and jobs and they can't afford to go throwing molotov cocktails at cop cars like people might do in Brooklyn or Portland.
Atlanta has a large black middle class, a black mayor, and a police force that's majority black. Same thing with Birmingham and a number of other Southern cities; there are simply a lot more black people in positions of power and with shite to lose (in some part, because there are a lot more black people in general) than there are in a place like Portland or Seattle. It's why I found Killer Mike's commentary much more interesting and insightful than what some pink-haired, bull-ringed dipshit in Chicago has to say.
I've also noticed since moving back to the Deep South that people of all colors are, for better or worse, just more conservative in behavior, outlook, etc. That's not limited to white Southerners.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 10:10 am to OweO
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Not so much with George Floyd because no matter what, there was no excuse for that officer to be on his neck for over 8 mins.
Same with Tony Tempa and no one gave a shite.
O I forgot. He was white so he didn’t gin up hate clicks.
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