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re: Coronavirus price gouger stuck with 18,000 bottles of sanitizers after Amazon bans him

Posted on 3/14/20 at 1:08 pm to
Posted by Stagg8
Houston
Member since Jan 2005
12993 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 1:08 pm to
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Price gouging is not real.


quote:

The ratio of votes to my post will indicate the percentage of Americans who know anything at all.


Price gouging is real. This is the literal definition. What you are actually arguing is that price gouging should not be illegal and/or is a necessity in a national disaster. Those are two separate discussions/arguments. Or I’m just too dense to follow your brilliance.
Posted by Tri City Tigers
Member since Oct 2018
2343 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 1:08 pm to
He needs to call every school system / hospital possible to find some buyers.
Posted by John88
Member since Sep 2015
6222 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 1:09 pm to
You can be a hero now and donate it.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261492 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 1:10 pm to
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and donate it.


Why?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261492 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 1:13 pm to
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Price gouging is real.


If you're agreeing to price for a product or service you're not being gouged.

The idea behind gouging is that it goes beyond what's reasonable or fair. If you're agreeing to a price, it's not unreasonable or unfair.

Pro tip: Want to avoid higher prices? Prepare in advance.
Posted by tketaco
Sunnyside, Houston
Member since Jan 2010
19573 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 1:14 pm to
That line of thinking will change real quick when the horde of pissed off people with guns and torches show up at the gate of your Sanitizer/TP Kingdom.

Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
10521 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 1:14 pm to
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Price gouging is not real. It’s a necessary component of capitalism so that all who need a product can have access to it.


Price gouging isn’t real in a 100% capitalistic system, which we are not (and I don’t know of any country who is, but I could be wrong?). You can argue that you don’t think it should be illegal, or that we should have a 100% capitalist system, but under our current economy price gouging is a real thing and this is a textbook definition of it despite the fact that you are so much smarter than the rest of us.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
36232 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 1:16 pm to
Roger, you're asking people to take responsibility for themselves. How dare you! If a willing buyer agrees to a price from a willing seller, it's nobody else's business.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261492 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 1:18 pm to
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Roger, you're asking people to take responsibility for themselves. How dare you! If a willing buyer agrees to a price from a willing seller, it's nobody else's business.


Right, Econ and individual responsibility are foreign languages here.

Posted by MusclesofBrussels
Member since Dec 2015
4541 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 1:18 pm to
Is Roger the tour guide economist about to take everyone to school again?
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26923 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 1:18 pm to
Agreed.

I also agree that Amazon has a right to ban him.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
49769 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 1:18 pm to
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The thing is, he could have just sold it at a modest markup and done quite well. The greedy frick cost himself in multiple ways.
Now he has to go set up at a flea market for the next five years trying to unload all that shite.




Exactly. Mark em up a couple two or three bucks and he makes a nice little chunk for little work.

Posted by Stagg8
Houston
Member since Jan 2005
12993 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 1:19 pm to
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If you're agreeing to price for a product or service you're not being gouged


Again you’re conflating two things. The literal definition of price gouging is to swindle or overcharge. There is no doubt that hoarding goods and selling at (ETA:) a much higher price is tacit price gouging. What you are actually arguing is that you have no problem with price gouging. This is not difficult.
This post was edited on 3/14/20 at 1:22 pm
Posted by TheeRealCarolina
Member since Aug 2018
17925 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 1:20 pm to
Meh he’s an arse, but Amazon trying to take a moral high ground here by banning him when people have the option of not buying from him is completely laughable, given their daily practices and their recent stupidity with Whole Foods employees.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261492 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 1:20 pm to
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and this is a textbook definition of it


It's really simple. When demand is high and supply is less, the value of a product increases.

If you sell out of a product the price is too low

Somehow the very average American has decided this time honored truth is evil.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64179 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 1:21 pm to
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rice gouging is real. This is the literal definition. What you are actually arguing is that price gouging should not be illegal and/or is a necessity in a national disaster. Those are two separate discussions/arguments. Or I’m just too dense to follow your brilliance


Price gouging after a natural disaster is only real for things people need.

Water
Medicine
Baby Formula
Fuel
Etc.

People don't NEED hand sanitizer. You can wash your hands with soap and water. You can wear gloves in environments where soap and water aren't practical. Or you can avoid contaminated areas altogether.

For something people don't NEED, it's not gouging if a customer pays $70. The customer wanted it that bad, so he sold it for that.

What would you say if he had put it on Ebay, and it actually got bid up to $70? Would that be gouging? He lists for $10, then people who want it drove the price up to $70. Of course you wouldn't call that gouging.

If someone on Amazon actually paid $70 for it, that means it was effectively bid-up because literally nobody on Amazon was selling any for less than that.

Another element of pricegouging is locality, things you can't source somewhere else. If you needed water in Mexico Beach, sure you can get free water 50 miles away, but water on your street doesn't exist. So someone comes in selling water for $10 a gallon, you are basically a captive audience, you don't have a choice. That's an important element of gouging.

When you are shopping for shite on Amazon, it doesn't count.
Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
10521 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 1:21 pm to
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Pro tip: Want to avoid higher prices? Prepare in advance.


This is such a dumb thing to say. Prepare in advance for something that no one saw coming . Should we all be prepared for every outlandish and unlikely scenario that could happen?
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 1:22 pm to
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It's really simple. When demand is high and supply is less, the value of a product increases.

If you sell out of a product the price is too low

Somehow the very average American has decided this time honored truth is evil.


Just curious. Do you believe this should apply to wages as well?
Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
10521 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 1:23 pm to
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It's really simple. When demand is high and supply is less, the value of a product increases.

If you sell out of a product the price is too low

Somehow the very average American has decided this time honored truth is evil.


So a company figures out how to produce the cure for cancer to an individual at a cost of $100 and they charge $100,000 for it - that isn’t evil?
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
16143 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 1:23 pm to
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capitalism


???
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