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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***

Posted on 3/21/20 at 12:56 pm to
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 3/21/20 at 12:56 pm to
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A little over 100 people under the age of 60 have died, only 9 people under the age of 40, 0 under the age of 30.

It is crushing the older population.



Too many are focusing on deaths. A very significant percentage of people in critical care are not even close to being considered "old".


Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 3/21/20 at 12:59 pm to
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Too many are focusing on deaths. A very significant percentage of people in critical care are not even close to being considered "old".


This

When you have people in their 30s and 40s (some that have NO other medical conditions) on vents with this....that’s really scary.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 3/21/20 at 12:59 pm to
And a significant portion of those who are hospitalized and recover do so with scarred up lungs.
Posted by JonTigerFan11
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 3/21/20 at 1:00 pm to
Ok, well that is still a significant statistic. Are deaths not the ultimate thing we are trying to prevent here?

Great, so critical care is working for people under 60?

You can get really sick still if you're under 60? Ok well there's a great chance you'll live.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 3/21/20 at 1:00 pm to
Exactly. So they may be forever impacted health wise from this.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 3/21/20 at 1:02 pm to
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You can get really sick still if you're under 60? Ok well there's a great chance you'll live.

Assuming they have enough vents for you to be on when you get it.

Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 3/21/20 at 1:02 pm to
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BREAKING: Ground stop now in effect — all departures stopped — for JFK, LGA, EWR due to positive covid-19 tests. Other regional airspace sectors halted through key “gates” through NY air traffic areas. -Sources




I wonder if we are headed towards a grounding of commercial airliners at some point?
Posted by JonTigerFan11
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 3/21/20 at 1:02 pm to
Really appears that Italy does for most people 60 and under.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/21/20 at 1:03 pm to
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Great, so critical care is working for people under 60?



I think it's too early to say. Someone posted up thread a message from an Ochsner doc that said they haven't been able to take people off of vents once they get on one.
Posted by Salmon
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 3/21/20 at 1:05 pm to
I’m honestly surprised we haven’t grounded everything yet

I mean if it’s as bad as they say, that should be one of the first things to happen, no?
Posted by Unknown_Poster
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 3/21/20 at 1:12 pm to
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Ok, well that is still a significant statistic. Are deaths not the ultimate thing we are trying to prevent here?

You will see an increase in deaths if there aren't enough ventilators and hospital beds to go around. People still get sick of other things during a pandemic. This is whole point of "flattening the curve."
This post was edited on 3/21/20 at 1:13 pm
Posted by JonTigerFan11
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 3/21/20 at 1:15 pm to
Italy has seen an increase in deaths, but just not from people under 60
Posted by threeputtforbogie
Addison, TX
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 3/21/20 at 1:20 pm to
Is there a good source for the Italy COVID data?
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21549 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 1:21 pm to
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The world has passed 200,000 confirmed cases with a nCFR of 4%.


Now past 300k with nCFR 4.3%
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 3/21/20 at 1:21 pm to
What country is driving the spike in nCFR?
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21549 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 1:23 pm to
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I’m honestly surprised we haven’t grounded everything yet

I mean if it’s as bad as they say, that should be one of the first things to happen, no?


Yea, one has to wonder what good are all these local restrictions if people are still flying all over the place? However, I'm not advocating for grounding air travel and just making an observation.
Posted by JonTigerFan11
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 3/21/20 at 1:24 pm to
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/21/20 at 1:26 pm to
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Italy has seen an increase in deaths, but just not from people under 60


You can't look at it so narrowly. Why are people under 60 surviving? Many are because hospitals are forced to make a choice on who gets put on a ventilator. This contributes to the high percentage of deaths of the aged. Not that many wouldn't die from COVID-19 but many don't stand a chance if they can't get on a ventilator because the choice was made to put a younger person on it.
Posted by Paige
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Posted on 3/21/20 at 1:28 pm to
LINK scroll down to Italy for their numbers
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21549 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 1:30 pm to
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What country is driving the spike in nCFR?


Probably a combo of things mostly related to data gathering and not a sign of a concerning spike in CFR. Countries with limited testing that are reporting deaths are probably skewing the data. Also, China continues to report deaths but aren't "finding" any new cases. Is the CFR really going up in China or are they just not testing for new cases anymore?
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