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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:12 pm to ell_13
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:12 pm to ell_13
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True quarantine. For a month. No one leaves the house for anything. People will starve to death.
Get serious. You’re off the edge mentally right now. This would not happen. People would still be allowed to gather groceries just as they were able to in China. How many died of starvation over there? Zero.
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Again with the virtue signaling.
You need a reality check, man. This isn’t fricking politics or some social issue. This is about humanity, which you don’t seem to give a frick about
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Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:13 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:some of the old and immune compromised are going to die even with the best care. That’s what I’m saying. The flattening of the curve isn’t to protect them. It’s the government trying to delay their issues/death.
no dumb arse that’s not a fact
The people in Italy who are told they don’t have enough ventilators to give them one. You know that they are going to die anyway?
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:13 pm to WicKed WayZ
Because waiting in line for 4 hours for groceries won’t cause the virus to spread 
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:14 pm to WaydownSouth
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I’m a medical professional,
You obviously don’t need to be one with that attitude. You’re likely one of the few with this mindset.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:14 pm to WicKed WayZ
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China. How many died of starvation over there? Zero.
You don’t know that.
quote:Humanity? Human kind is at stake huh? God you people are special.
This is about humanity, which you don’t seem to give a frick about
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:15 pm to ell_13
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Speaking of Netflix. They released their Pandemic doc in January. I’m wondering if this is just some huge publicity stunt for that show and their service.
Ok now I know to just ignore you from now on
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:16 pm to WicKed WayZ
I thought it was funny.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:16 pm to WicKed WayZ
Nope. SO is an RN. Will be right there with me lifting weights.
Group of med students that got their rotations postponed are going off shore fishing.
This has been blown way out of proportion
Group of med students that got their rotations postponed are going off shore fishing.
This has been blown way out of proportion
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:17 pm to ell_13
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some of the old and immune compromised are going to die even with the best care. That’s what I’m saying. The flattening of the curve isn’t to protect them. It’s the government trying to delay their issues/death.
This is what you choose to believe. It does not make it a fact.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:17 pm to WaydownSouth
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82,000 of out 1.4 Billion people in china got the virus. That is 0.006% of the population. It obviously doesn’t spread as much as you and some other suckers want to believe.
Ask Honkus if his family in China is still locked down. I’ll help, they are. Their factory is still closed.
Can you explain to me why a novel virus with no herd immunity would stop at 82,000 infections?
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:18 pm to hashtag
Hashtag - in exponential growth a 6x difference in population is covered in under 3 cycles. The predicted R0 has a doubling rate of 6 days so a under an 18 day lag.
This gets back to my post, i agree with you that we’re not Italy. I agree with you that our landmass and overall population density doesn’t support that our spread rate would be the same as Italy, China, SK, etc...
My entire point was that we chose not to collect and test until the last minute, and as a result it sure as frick looks like we’re plotting on top of those two. This is likely not accurate but we don’t have the data to say otherwise.
This gets back to my post, i agree with you that we’re not Italy. I agree with you that our landmass and overall population density doesn’t support that our spread rate would be the same as Italy, China, SK, etc...
My entire point was that we chose not to collect and test until the last minute, and as a result it sure as frick looks like we’re plotting on top of those two. This is likely not accurate but we don’t have the data to say otherwise.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:20 pm to tiger91
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HOW is SK doing better at this than we are? Was it early testing??
Testing EVERYONE! Tracing movements, etc..
Here it took 2 doctors in Seattle to defy government orders and found the first confirmed test. Since then many have all the symptoms and doctors begging for their patients to be tested only to be told no over and over again.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:21 pm to Mudminnow
Everyone sick or not sick?
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:22 pm to Mudminnow
Yes the stories of denied testing are awful.
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:22 pm to tiger91
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HOW is SK doing better at this than we are? Was it early testing??
The patients that have tested positive include significantly more women and more young patients. This makes their overall mortality rate look better.
They still have very high rates in the older population and as more of those patients get it their CFR will increase.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:22 pm to WicKed WayZ
quote:It’s a mathematical fact that eventually, the virus will spread, even with social distancing. The point is to spread out the time it takes to propagate so that there’s enough time between cases that need hospitalization. That is a fact. No one disputes it.
This is what you choose to believe. It does not make it a fact.
The government is trying to save lives, yes. But only ones that would die at the expense of an overrun health care system. Sure, that would include some old and people susceptible to viruses but also anyone else needing a hospital bed.
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:23 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Likely many had it and it was insignificant enough to not get tested and developed immunity
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:28 pm to ell_13
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You got the same chance of living though this compared to most other URVs.
Had no idea you had access to my medical records.
I don’t think anybody can say that with any certainty, though. At least I have experience with surviving plenty of non-novel respiratory viruses. I’m also fairly certain that I have a reasonably good chance of surviving this one if I can access appropriate care. As for your proclaimed point, that’s not at all what you said. But in the spirit of productive discussion we’ll just move on. So how exactly do you propose to determine who gets one of the available beds if the number of infections keeps rising unabated? Does a morbidly obese 30yo with uncontrolled diabetes “deserve” it more than a 40yo with immune deficiency whose only risk factor was in no way influenced by behavior? And how do you propose to ensure the availability of those beds in the first place? Honest questions, because the above issues are exactly the ones Italy is grappling with right now.
I hear people saying that we need to take aggressive measures to avoid becoming like Italy, and you’re essentially saying that you have basically the same goal but think we should take a completely different road to get there. I’m sincerely wondering how that looks if it doesn’t involve mitigation strategies beyond “MeeMaw, you gotta stay home for a while”.
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:28 pm to VABuckeye
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Darth and ell,
How many deaths are acceptable to you so you can continue your life as it was before COVID-19? What's your number? You keep spouting how low the numbers are to date but how many deaths does it take to get your attention?
Or...will it only get your attention if it's killing your age group or your children? We've already figured out that you don't give a shite about your parents or grandparents lives.
Oh hell, just when this thread cannot get any worse.
A hell of a lot more than the 85 we have so far.
I promise you more than 85 will die across all age groups from the economic impact we are allowing this to do to our economy.
It is absolutely astonishing so many people are OK with the draconian actions being placed upon us.
This is one of those, seriously think about the children and the impact we are placing upon them.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:28 pm to WaydownSouth
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Likely many had it and it was insignificant enough to not get tested and developed immunity
Likely not. This is what everyone wants to believe, but there is no evidence to support this. All of these cases can be traced genetically very easily back to their source and a clear timeline drawn Nextstrain
Sure there may be some cases they missed but the South Koreans were meticulous about tracing every contact and testing them. Even children. Go look at the large sample size of children. They had something like 30% 20-29 year olds. They were looking for the mild cases. See for yourself. South Korea Data
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 7:32 pm
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