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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:59 am to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:59 am to WaWaWeeWa
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He’s just picked a new talking point that he knows will last another month or more
Do you not see that you're guilty of the same shite?
You can downvote till you're blue in the face. You aren't the objective voice of reason you want to be.
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 10:02 am
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Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:00 am to LNCHBOX
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As testing ramps up, the mortality rate will only go down.
Wayyy down.
ETA:
But it will still be high for elderly and the capacity issues at hospitals could be catastrophic for not just COVID19 patients, but others needing critical care.
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 10:03 am
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:01 am to LNCHBOX
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Do you not see that you're guilty of the same shite?
What’s my talking point?
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:02 am to WaWaWeeWa
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What’s my talking point?
I can't even get you to tell me which facts are the real ones, and I've asked you twice.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:02 am to Scruffy
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This thread should be anchored and the OT would be better off for it.
Can't tell if that is intentional sarcasm. This place is a cesspool.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:03 am to Unknown_Poster
quote:But it was a cesspool if different shite.
Can't tell if that is intentional sarcasm. This place is a cesspool.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:05 am to WaWaWeeWa
Question...
So this is obviously more deadly than the Flu from a mortality rate. It may not kill more people, but will kill a higher percentage of those it does infect.
However, looking at the diamond princess data, it is about 5 times more deadly than the Flu. Of course, that percentage will shift and adjust, but all in all, it looks like it will be sub 1% when said and done.
My question is, come next year or after the vaccine is on the market, does this become less deadly than the Flu? I know on its face, the vaccine won’t impact the % of deaths and will impact the number of people who get it, but if the vaccine is targeted at the elderly, it pretty much cuts off the demo that is skewing the mortality rate so high.
I mean, to only be 5 times more deadly with 0 preventative measure in place seems like nothing to overcome in the future.
Am I right in this thinking? Thoughts?
So this is obviously more deadly than the Flu from a mortality rate. It may not kill more people, but will kill a higher percentage of those it does infect.
However, looking at the diamond princess data, it is about 5 times more deadly than the Flu. Of course, that percentage will shift and adjust, but all in all, it looks like it will be sub 1% when said and done.
My question is, come next year or after the vaccine is on the market, does this become less deadly than the Flu? I know on its face, the vaccine won’t impact the % of deaths and will impact the number of people who get it, but if the vaccine is targeted at the elderly, it pretty much cuts off the demo that is skewing the mortality rate so high.
I mean, to only be 5 times more deadly with 0 preventative measure in place seems like nothing to overcome in the future.
Am I right in this thinking? Thoughts?
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:06 am to LNCHBOX
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I can't even get you to tell me which facts are the real ones, and I've asked you twice.
I’ll gladly answer any questions you have. You have to be more specific.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:07 am to WaWaWeeWa
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I’ll gladly answer any questions you have. You have to be more specific.
You can respond to either of those posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:09 am to Lsut81
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My question is, come next year or after the vaccine is on the market, does this become less deadly than the Flu?
The stuff I’ve read says that if it becomes endemic it is likely to become less deadly and also much less common. The flu is unique in its ability to shift it’s surface proteins and escape detection. So most experts don’t think you are looking at a new yearly “flu” virus that is constantly changing. But that’s more speculation than anything else.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:13 am to WaWaWeeWa
Do you think at any point in human history that the world has been this sanitary and hygienic?
I've seen nasty dive bars constantly cloroxing tables and stools. I've seen construction workers purelling their hands and elbow bumping instead of shaking hands. I've seen Ubers with signs saying they disinfect the entire vehicle after each passenger. I've seen co-workers in my office lysoling every belonging and not touching a single community door handle, etc.
For bacteria/germs/viruses not named COVID19, this has been a bad couple of weeks
I've seen nasty dive bars constantly cloroxing tables and stools. I've seen construction workers purelling their hands and elbow bumping instead of shaking hands. I've seen Ubers with signs saying they disinfect the entire vehicle after each passenger. I've seen co-workers in my office lysoling every belonging and not touching a single community door handle, etc.
For bacteria/germs/viruses not named COVID19, this has been a bad couple of weeks
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:13 am to Scruffy
Scruffy - I have a question. Not questioning the severity of all this. Just genuinely curious. If the flu does kill so many more people, do we not see the same overwhelm in hospitals during flu season? Do flu deaths not require the same level of care in hospitals that COVID19 does?
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:14 am to WaWaWeeWa
Personally I feel mortality is somewhat of a red herring. It seems it is far more communicable than the average flu (might be wrong on that). If that's the case, then precautions of temporarily closing down non-essential businesses is fine. There are numerous things the government can do to stimulate the economy and assist those that risk losing out on wages. There is far less the government can do to combat a virus with a high rate of communicability from spreading if most people simply ignore it.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:15 am to TheCaterpillar
quote:That’s something I said early on. Some of this shite we should have been doing already but apparently the 10s of thousands of flu deaths every year weren’t enough to convince anyone.
For bacteria/germs/viruses not named COVID19, this has been a bad couple of weeks
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:15 am to LNCHBOX
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You can respond to either of those posts
What posts? What do you think I’m avoiding? Just say it
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:17 am to jamiegla1
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Scruffy - I have a question. Not questioning the severity of all this. Just genuinely curious. If the flu does kill so many more people, do we not see the same overwhelm in hospitals during flu season? Do flu deaths not require the same level of care in hospitals that COVID19 does?
I'm not Scruffy, but I deal with hospital ERs a lot...
A. Our hospitals do get a ton of flu volume and we definitely feel the influx, although it doesn't overwhelm us.
B. It is spread out more (flatter curve) because it is less contagious and a lot of people get flu shots
C. A lot of people who get the flu, have less severe symptoms due to flu shots. Thus they don't need ventilators, etc.
D. While the death count is less for COVID19, the rate of infected people needing critical care is a lot higher at the moment. That is the issue. They're not all dying, but a lot of them need an ICU bed.
E. Panic has led to a lot more people coming to ERs that shouldn't that would normally just take Tylenol Cold and Flu and wait it out at home.
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 10:20 am
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:18 am to WaWaWeeWa
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What posts? What do you think I’m avoiding? Just say it
Are you incabable of reading?
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:23 am to TheCaterpillar
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E. Panic has led to a lot more people coming to ERs that shouldn't that would normally just take Tylenol Cold and Flu and wait it out at home.
That seems to be a huge problem at the moment.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:30 am to Lsut81
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My question is, come next year or after the vaccine is on the market, does this become less deadly than the Flu?
Maybe. But part of that will also be about finding effective treatment methods.
For example, an anti-arthritis drug seems to be doing fairly well in Italy.
LINK in Italian
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"We are in connection with several hospitals from north to south - Ascierto explains -, the experimentation has now expanded to over 50 patients throughout Italy. Yesterday I spoke with Dr. Giancarlo Titolo of the Fano hospital , and he told me that 11 patients (between Fano and Pesaro), treated with the anti-arthritis drug, 8 had an improvement after 24 hours ". The same happened in Cosenza where "2 patients were treated in the same way, and all 2 improved" continues Ascierto, who adds: "Even in Modena they were very satisfied" by the first results. In Naples, of the 6 patients being treated with the drug, "3 have improved, 2 are stable and one died from very strong respiratory stress," explains the professor.
Here is a link about China doing some trials with the same drug:
LINK
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There is no efficacy or safety data yet to support the use of Actemra in COVID-19 infections, but Chinese researchers are carrying out an 188-patient clinical trial in patients infected with the virus. Preliminary results in 14 patients have suggested however it may be able to help in subjects who have progressed to severe lung disease
And I think there is some optimism about choloroquine phospate/hydroxychloroquine.
Hopefully, we'll soon have an effective drug that can help people who get sick.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:34 am to Lsut81
it should be a little easier to develop a vaccine than flu because of lower mutation rates
the problem (and why there hasn't really been a viable vaccine against coronavirus species to date) is that a lot of attempted vaccines caused a cytokine storm in test animals when the animal was exposed to an infectious pathogen after vaccination.
basically, if the vaccine isnt completely vetted, a failed coronavirus vaccine could make something as simple as catching a cold a life-threatening event.
the problem (and why there hasn't really been a viable vaccine against coronavirus species to date) is that a lot of attempted vaccines caused a cytokine storm in test animals when the animal was exposed to an infectious pathogen after vaccination.
basically, if the vaccine isnt completely vetted, a failed coronavirus vaccine could make something as simple as catching a cold a life-threatening event.
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