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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***
Posted on 1/25/20 at 8:54 am to BallsEleven
Posted on 1/25/20 at 8:54 am to BallsEleven
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wouldn't go that far. There are just a lot more unknowns with this than the flu. We also have no vaccine.
Again go back to the basics.
China's president, who would rather this go away is on the news calling it a "grave situation".
Quarantine of over 40 million people.
Disney shutting down "indefinitely".
The list goes on and on.
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Posted on 1/25/20 at 8:57 am to frankthetank
I'd hate to be a Chinese guy going to the hospital with the flu
Posted on 1/25/20 at 9:07 am to WoWyHi
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Disney shutting down "indefinitely".
I see people making a big deal out of Disney shutting down as a sign of how bad it is. All other mass gatherings are closed or canceled movies, train stations, CNYE celebrations. Why would Disney get a pass for thousands of people to hang out. I have no doubt the government told them to shut down like they did everything else.
Posted on 1/25/20 at 9:09 am to Dizz
It's a big deal because Disney is greedy as shite and they don't just shut down their parks for random shite. They barely shut down for hurricanes. "Indefinitely" is a huge deal in the Disney world.
Posted on 1/25/20 at 9:12 am to WoWyHi
A hurricane and a health emergency are two different things. Hurricane blows in and blows out. Very different from allowing thousands to pass a virus every day. The govt told them shut down I bet.
Posted on 1/25/20 at 9:13 am to WoWyHi
I'm not saying the situation over there isn't worse than what the Chinese gov is telling us. I'm saying we don't know enough yet about the actual virus to say how bad it is.
Posted on 1/25/20 at 9:16 am to Crawdaddy
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Compared to the Ebola issue a few years ago, we were told this is not as bad. Thoughts ?
I think this is potentially more serious. Because the incubation period is long and some people have just mild symptoms while being contagious, it has already spread across the world. I believe coronavirus will be much harder to contain than Ebola especially in the crowded conditions in China and their resistance to sharing information. Therefore it could kill many, many more people than Ebola did, even though it isn’t as deadly. It’s definitely more serious than the flu.
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Right now, 2019-nCoV appears to be less virulent, with about a 4 percent mortality rate. But that number is still a moving target as more cases are diagnosed, Fauci says. As of January 23, the new coronavirus had infected more than 581 people, with about a quarter of those becoming seriously ill, according to the WHO
Consider that the mortality rate of the flu is much lower and 80,000 Americans died of flu complications in 2018. The potential for a global health emergency is huge and everyone knows China is underreporting the morbidity and mortality to the media.
Posted on 1/25/20 at 9:17 am to WoWyHi
New England Journal of Medicine:
LINK
So ACE-2 is an enzyme expressed in cells in the lungs, and basically a protein on the surface of the Coronavirus fits perfectly with part of the ACE-2 enzyme which lets it enter the cell
LINK
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"For the third time in as many decades, a zoonotic coronavirus has crossed species to infect human populations. This virus, provisionally called 2019-nCoV, was first identified in Wuhan, China, in persons exposed to a seafood or wet market. The rapid response of the Chinese public health, clinical, and scientific communities facilitated recognition of the clinical disease and initial understanding of the epidemiology of the infection."
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"The viral genome has been sequenced, and these results in conjunction with other reports show that it is 75 to 80% identical to the SARS-CoV and even more closely related to several bat coronaviruses."
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"It can be propagated in the same cells that are useful for growing SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV, but notably, 2019-nCoV grows better in primary human airway epithelial cells than in standard tissue-culture cells, unlike SARS-CoV or MERS-CoV."
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It appears that 2019-nCoV uses the same cellular receptor as SARS-CoV (human angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 [hACE2]),3 so transmission is expected only after signs of lower respiratory tract disease develop.
So ACE-2 is an enzyme expressed in cells in the lungs, and basically a protein on the surface of the Coronavirus fits perfectly with part of the ACE-2 enzyme which lets it enter the cell
This post was edited on 1/25/20 at 9:20 am
Posted on 1/25/20 at 9:20 am to GEAUXmedic
eradicate the bats
Posted on 1/25/20 at 9:21 am to jevins_slickin
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Whats the WSJ twitter accounts? So i can tweet them about Honkus.
Liza Lin
James T Areddy
@jamestareddy
@liz_in_shanghai
Posted on 1/25/20 at 9:22 am to GEAUXmedic
LINK
First post in a series by him explaining this. He is an epidemiologist and has taught this stuff at Harvard.
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@DrEricDing
HOLY MOTHER OF GOD - the new coronavirus is a 3.8!!! How bad is that reproductive R0 value? It is thermonuclear pandemic level bad - never seen an actual virality coefficient outside of Twitter in my entire career. I’m not exaggerating... #WuhanCoronovirus #CoronavirusOutbreak
First post in a series by him explaining this. He is an epidemiologist and has taught this stuff at Harvard.
Posted on 1/25/20 at 9:23 am to WoWyHi
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It's a big deal because Disney is greedy as shite and they don't just shut down their parks for random shite.
It’s important to note, the foreign Disney parks are only owned in small part by Disney itself...the governments/foreign investment own the majority.
Posted on 1/25/20 at 9:24 am to Burhead
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First post in a series by him explaining this. He is an epidemiologist and has taught this stuff at Harvard.
I'm skeptical about that account, as are many others.
Posted on 1/25/20 at 9:27 am to jevins_slickin
I tweeted Honkus' tweet to Mike Cernovich, Jack Posobiec(OANN), Dan Bongino, Sebastian Gorka, Sara Carter, and Charlie Kirk. Good luck Patrick.
Posted on 1/25/20 at 9:27 am to TJG210
The Waffle House metric is a much more accurate way to measure the seriousness of a disaster.
Posted on 1/25/20 at 9:28 am to GEAUXmedic
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I'm skeptical about that account, as are many others.
As to the stats or the user's claimed experience? First I saw of it and figured it might be worth posting.
Posted on 1/25/20 at 9:29 am to WoWyHi
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Again go back to the basics.
China's president, who would rather this go away is on the news calling it a "grave situation".
Quarantine of over 40 million people.
Disney shutting down "indefinitely".
The list goes on and on.
China was torched for their handling of SARS at the international level. They replaced their health department leader mid crisis due to the flak. It's not surprising that they're treating the next SARS situation so heavy handed.
Posted on 1/25/20 at 9:29 am to Dizz
Would I be a dick to demand my manager send anyone home with a cough? 
Posted on 1/25/20 at 9:33 am to GEAUXmedic
Yea, let’s not get too excited about an unknown internet epidemiologist claims, there are much worst repro numbers
Values of R0 of well-known infectious diseases[1]
Disease Transmission R0
Measles Airborne 12–18
Diphtheria Saliva 6-7
Smallpox Airborne droplet 5–7
Polio Fecal-oral route 5–7
Rubella Airborne droplet 5–7
Mumps Airborne droplet 4–7
HIV/AIDS Sexual contact 2–5
Pertussis Airborne droplet 5.5[2]
SARS Airborne droplet 2–5[3]
Influenza
(1918 pandemic strain) Airborne droplet 2–3[4]
Ebola
(2014 Ebola outbreak) Bodily fluids 1.5-2.5
Values of R0 of well-known infectious diseases[1]
Disease Transmission R0
Measles Airborne 12–18
Diphtheria Saliva 6-7
Smallpox Airborne droplet 5–7
Polio Fecal-oral route 5–7
Rubella Airborne droplet 5–7
Mumps Airborne droplet 4–7
HIV/AIDS Sexual contact 2–5
Pertussis Airborne droplet 5.5[2]
SARS Airborne droplet 2–5[3]
Influenza
(1918 pandemic strain) Airborne droplet 2–3[4]
Ebola
(2014 Ebola outbreak) Bodily fluids 1.5-2.5
This post was edited on 1/25/20 at 9:43 am
Posted on 1/25/20 at 9:35 am to Boston911
Agreed, but these r-naught numbers are based just on info the Chinese govt. Is saying. The spread could be far greater.
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