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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***

Posted on 3/8/20 at 12:39 pm to
Posted by TT9
Seychelles
Member since Sep 2008
91793 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 12:39 pm to
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Am I smart now?
no
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
74206 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 12:40 pm to
For those saying "this could have been stopped"

what EXACTLY DID YOU WANT state and federal govt to do to stop it?

Complete travel bans from all nations?

mass quarantines?

what did you want?

This thing is breaking out everywhere.

Insane (INSANE) to think any nation could have prevented it from getting onto their soil.
This post was edited on 3/8/20 at 12:41 pm
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 12:40 pm to
If you thought muh flu was bad here you should have seen the thread on the poli board
Posted by CarolinaGamecock99
Member since Apr 2015
24823 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 12:41 pm to
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BREAKING: Italy reports 1,492 new cases of coronavirus and 133 new deaths, raising total to 7,375 cases and 366 dead

Posted by nugget
Abrego Garcia Fan
Member since Dec 2009
15734 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 12:42 pm to
The guy that cant get a girl to like him is making this political? Color me shocked
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61447 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 12:45 pm to
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Thanks CDC and FedGov... dropped the ball and no one to blame but yourself.


There was no way to contain this thing, people walking around asymptomatic and spreading it for 14 days....shite, even attempting to do it in a society that allows freedom of travel would be almost impossible.
Posted by GeauxTigers2020
Member since Sep 2013
28667 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 12:46 pm to
Sitting at about 5% right now. But it's just the flu.
Posted by Teauxler
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
3826 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 12:49 pm to
Da fuq?? Close the border and all incoming travel and he’s called a racist . Leave it open and it’s all his fault. fricking people are stupid !
This post was edited on 3/8/20 at 12:50 pm
Posted by jlc05
Member since Nov 2005
33415 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 12:49 pm to
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BREAKING: Italy reports 1,492 new cases of coronavirus and 133 new deaths, raising total to 7,375 cases and 366 dead

Nearly a 5% mortality rate
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85108 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 12:51 pm to
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For those saying "this could have been stopped"

what EXACTLY DID YOU WANT state and federal govt to do to stop it?


I don’t think anyone with a brain thinks it can or could have been stopped, but slowed and mitigated yes.

I posted my personal story early in here about travels through Asia and upon returning late Jan, didn’t even get a second look when returning to SFO.

Hell, they still aren’t even screening people coming in from Italy.

This post was edited on 3/8/20 at 12:52 pm
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
46731 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 12:51 pm to
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Sitting at about 5% right now. But it's just the flu.


Are you this dense? Try reading how sick you have to be in Louisiana to even get a test. We are not testing for all of the mild cases out there. The mortality rate is much less than 5 percent.
This post was edited on 3/8/20 at 12:52 pm
Posted by jlc05
Member since Nov 2005
33415 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 12:53 pm to
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The fact that this is spreading fast in places like italy, france, SK, etc leads me to believe that containment was never a plausible possibility.

Not without welding shut residences, deploying vans to “transport” the infirmed and collapsing quarantine centers.
This post was edited on 3/8/20 at 12:55 pm
Posted by GeauxTigers2020
Member since Sep 2013
28667 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 12:54 pm to
I'm talking about Italy. Italy is testing a ton of people and quarantining a huge part of their country. They're not doing the "let's keep our confirmed case #s low to prevent panic"

Do I think it's truly going to finish at 5%? No. But, that is an absurdly high #.
This post was edited on 3/8/20 at 12:55 pm
Posted by SCTmo
Des Moines
Member since Aug 2007
3019 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 12:56 pm to
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Sitting at about 5% right now. But it's just the flu.


I'm not one to downplay the potential horrible effects of Coronavirus; however, I do think that it's probably a misrepresentation to suggest that the mortality rate is correctly reflected at 5% in Italy.

I think that it doesn't account for milder symptoms or those who are entirely asymptomatic because it's likely that they have not even been tested for the disease.

Not saying this thing is just the flu, but isn't it disingenuous to ignore the huge swath of likely infected people who have yet to be identified because the disease has had a much less serious direct effect on them?
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53469 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 12:56 pm to
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For those saying "this could have been stopped"


Stop it all together? Of course not.

But with proactive tracing they could have slowed the burn. Watched/isolated those in contact with positive cases, and added weeks if not months to the growth phase of the infection.

Remember, the goal of the game is not to let it grow so fast that hospitals get buried dealing with cases. That’s the difference between nothing burger and possibility of 1 million+ dead. And what some states are doing now they have the test: throwing everyone in contact with identified cases into quarantine.

What the CDC actually did at the start?

“Hey I have a bunch of abornally sick people here and they aren’t testing positive for flu. We need to test for CoV.”

CDC: “Nah, they weren’t in China. They good.”

For weeks
This post was edited on 3/8/20 at 1:00 pm
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 12:56 pm to
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The mortality rate is much less than 5 percent.


It really doesn’t matter. All of you arguing about percentage points of mortality have missed what some of us have said from the very beginning. It’s about the number of critically sick. We watched it shut down northern Italy in a matter of 36 days.

Italy didn’t get shut down because 366 dropped dead. Italy got shut down because there are massive numbers of critical patients in a very short period of time for a disease that requires a lot of resources to keep someone alive.
This post was edited on 3/8/20 at 12:57 pm
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21540 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 12:56 pm to
Italian nCFR now 5%. Corrected CFR maybe over 7%? I know it's mostly "old people" but that is some crazy shite.
Posted by GeauxTigers2020
Member since Sep 2013
28667 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 12:57 pm to
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, I do think that it's probably a misrepresentation to suggest that the mortality rate is correctly reflected at 5% in Italy.


As I said, I don't think it finishes there. However, it's an alarmingly high # right now.
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
46731 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 12:58 pm to
“With 6,767 confirmed cases as of late Friday, South Korea has more coronavirus patients than any country besides China. That high number may in part be a function of the country’s sweeping testing program that involved tens of thousands of people. When balanced against the country’s 44 deaths, the case-fatality ratio is less than 0.7%.”
Posted by SCTmo
Des Moines
Member since Aug 2007
3019 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 12:59 pm to
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As I said, I don't think it finishes there. However, it's an alarmingly high # right now.


Agreed, but also we'd expect it to be highest when the percentage of testing will be done to those exhibiting the most extreme symptoms, right?

It would follow that it should start high and then fall off.

I'm not a sunshine-pumper on this. Just trying to look for a silver lining.
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