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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***
Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:24 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:24 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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That’s not really how it works in real life. Let’s say a small community gets a large outbreak. Look at the random area of Italy (Lombardy) that is the hotspot right now.
Their small community hospital with 10 ICU beds will be overrun quickly and if they get a bunch of cases of people in respiratory distress that need intubation it doesn’t really matter that a hospital 2 hours away has ICU beds. It’s a time sensitive issue.
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Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:25 pm to gizmothepug
I may be behind but Santa Clara has another possible case of community transmission. Also another person in Oregon just test positive. They just said the person had no travel history so possibly more community spread.
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:26 pm to vuvuzela
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Interesting Article on the spread in South Korea
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Jun Kwang-hoon, a populist reverend known for his fervent conservatism and criticism of the left-leaning national government, has been particularly outspoken since the coronavirus virus reached Korea, illustrating how religion and politics—and now health—often intersect in Korea.
Defying a ban against large gatherings, he led an anti-government rally in central Seoul on Feb. 22, where he told the crowd, mostly older Koreans, that god would cure them of the disease if they caught it and that it was “patriotic” to die from the virus, the Korea Herald reported. Seoul’s mayor later questioned Jun’s sanity on a radio program.
And some in this thread are giving Islam shite for their beliefs and the spread of this virus
It turns out stupidity doesn't adhere to one particular dogma. 
Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:28 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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That’s not really how it works in real life. Let’s say a small community gets a large outbreak. Look at the random area of Italy (Lombardy) that is the hotspot right now.
Their small community hospital with 10 ICU beds will be overrun quickly and if they get a bunch of cases of people in respiratory distress that need intubation it doesn’t really matter that a hospital 2 hours away has ICU beds. It’s a time sensitive issue.
How many practical examples of this can you think of in the US?
I know we can dream up a scenario, but for all intents and purposes, there are beds everywhere. Hawaii is the only somewhat reasonable concern IMO.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:30 pm to slackster
The person in Oregon was said to have spent some time at an elementary school, parents are going to freak out.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:31 pm to slackster
Odds that the Oregon school district with this new case is closed starting Monday? I’d say 90%.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:31 pm to Burhead
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@KEZIShipotofsky
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The individual is employed at a school in Clackamas County and may have exposed students and staff there.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:32 pm to Ace Midnight
Am I not calm? It’s been stated in all the scientific literature (not sensationalized media garbage) I’ve seen recently that the healthcare system can easily max out if there is uncontrolled spread.
I’m not saying it’s going to happen because we can control the spread to an extent if we are smart. China demonstrated that. That’s why I said watch what South Korea does next because they are going to have to make that decision?
I’m not saying it’s going to happen because we can control the spread to an extent if we are smart. China demonstrated that. That’s why I said watch what South Korea does next because they are going to have to make that decision?
Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:36 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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It’s been stated in all the scientific literature (not sensationalized media garbage) I’ve seen recently that the healthcare system can easily max out if there is uncontrolled spread.
It's not spreading quickly and largely not killing in the West. This panic is ALL MANUFACTURED.
We don't shut down our economy for a seasonal flu outbreak. I'm not saying we don't take this somewhat more seriously, but we certainly appear to be doing that.
Overreaction and panic ARE the enemies here. Work the problem and live your lives. Panic is the opposite of that.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:40 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Outside of Hawaii and I guess Alaska for obvious reasons, it is hard to think of a domestic situation where capacity is an issue.
Sure, a single hospital may be at capacity, but in any city where the population is high enough to support that kind of spread, hospitals will be right around the corner. Like I said, if you play it out in your mind, it's hard to see where capacity is an issue if we've handled literally hundreds of thousands more flu hospitalizations in recent years.
Sure, a single hospital may be at capacity, but in any city where the population is high enough to support that kind of spread, hospitals will be right around the corner. Like I said, if you play it out in your mind, it's hard to see where capacity is an issue if we've handled literally hundreds of thousands more flu hospitalizations in recent years.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:42 pm to slackster
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How many practical examples of this can you think of in the US?
I know we can dream up a scenario, but for all intents and purposes, there are beds everywhere. Hawaii is the only somewhat reasonable concern IMO.
I’m not sure what you want an example of?
There are 6,000 ICU beds in California. Do you think that’s enough for a population of 11 million if the percentage of cases that need critical care is 5%?
When someone is in respiratory distress it doesn’t really matter if there is an open bed across the country. Why do you think Wuhan built a new hospital in 7 days. I’m sure they had open ICU beds in the next providence. You need them where the outbreak is.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:45 pm to Ace Midnight
Does talking about this make you nervous? I’m not sure why discussing scenarios is considered panic.
I’ll move on from this topic, but it’s not me who is saying the system is at risk of not having enough resources it’s every healthcare expert.
I’ll move on from this topic, but it’s not me who is saying the system is at risk of not having enough resources it’s every healthcare expert.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:47 pm to Jon Ham
98%
Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:50 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Does talking about this make you nervous?
Not at all - we have a cycle of SARS, MERS, Ebola, H1N1, swine flu, avian flu, western/eastern encephalitis, Zika, every few years. And Americans, collectively, suffer from a form of national OCD about our health so the response by the sheople is always the same:
And in this case, the panic part of this is clearly being whipped up for non-health reasons.
There have been some supply interruptions, so that part is legit. But all the fearmongering via the 24-hour news cycle would be laughable if the real world consequences weren't so dire.
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:53 pm to Malik Agar
So it’s pretty obvious Oregon and California have lots of cases right now
But this was expected
But this was expected
Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:53 pm to Jon Ham
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Oregon just confirmed first suspected case of community spread. The person visited/worked/had some sort of contact with an elementary school. No idea of the number of potential contacts this person had.
Nice to read this as I just landed in PDX.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:54 pm to Ace Midnight
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And in this case, the panic part of this is clearly being whipped up to try to generate a positive response from the Dems.
You think this is political?
China locked down millions of people in what is considered the largest quarantine in history. You think they did that for the “dems”?
ETA: oh I see you edited out the political conspiracy theories
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:54 pm to rds dc
I remember most people hating genetics back when I was in school. However, there is a lot of really cool stuff out there for those that are interested. The genome sequence from the 1st case in Brazil
LINK
LINK
The cases are closely related to a case that was in Europe nearly a month ago but that doesn't necessarily mean that the transmission happened in Europe. They could be closely related to an export from China. However, very interesting stuff.
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differs by three mutations to the Wuhan-Hu-1 reference strain. Two of these mutations are shared with its closest sequence, strain Germany/BavPat1/2020, a strain recovered from a male patient pertaining to a transmission cluster from Munich, Bavaria, Germany.
LINK
LINK
The cases are closely related to a case that was in Europe nearly a month ago but that doesn't necessarily mean that the transmission happened in Europe. They could be closely related to an export from China. However, very interesting stuff.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:56 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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China locked down millions of people in what is considered the largest quarantine in history.
And it definitely got Hong Kong protestors off the streets and out of the news, did it not?
I'm not saying there is nothing to this and there is no concern. I'm saying the entire hysteria is being concocted and it should be transparent to all.
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