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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***
Posted on 2/20/20 at 11:09 pm to slackster
Posted on 2/20/20 at 11:09 pm to slackster
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BNO Newsroom @BNODesk · 1m Hubei province says 220 of the new cases are in the region's prison system. This follows prison outbreaks in other provinces
Those prisoners are in a lot of trouble.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 11:18 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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escaped China in record speed despite draconian quarantines
We had thousands of people leaving China before the quarantines even started.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 11:41 pm to Malik Agar
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I really hope that Kim calls Trump for help if it gets there
They are the worlds leading experts in quarantine.
Posted on 2/21/20 at 5:27 am to CaptSpaulding
NK cancels Pyongyang marathon. Japan closing a theme park till next 3 weeks. SK got 100 new cases, 2nd death.
Couldn’t these Asian countries file a class action lawsuit against China?
Couldn’t these Asian countries file a class action lawsuit against China?
Posted on 2/21/20 at 5:41 am to PeteRose
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Couldn’t these Asian countries file a class action lawsuit against China?
Posted on 2/21/20 at 6:03 am to GeauxTigers2020
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We had thousands of people leaving China before the quarantines even started.
Posted earlier in this thread...
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Chinese data on destinations of 5million who left before lockdown. QQnews, 1-26-2020 By train, millions left (article says this is normal for CNY). 60-70% of those who left Wuhan went to somewhere inside Hubei province. Significant number of people went to Shanghai, Beijing, Chongqing, Changsha, (each less than 10% it seems) etc. ? By air: Over 60k flew to Beijing 50k flew to Guangzhou and Chengdu 7k to HK 6k to Macau 7.5k to Taiwan. Other intl destinations include: 10k to Thailand 10k to Singapore a bunch of them to japan. 3.6k to SFO 3k to Istanbul 2.7k to JFK
Posted on 2/21/20 at 6:35 am to lsutiger2010
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This has been posted probably at least once per page since the start of this thread
Yes, and the thread is only a month old. The first 30 days told us this is more serious than SARS from a contagiousness standpoint and more deadly than SARS or MERS on a total case count case.
The next 30 days will tell us how well the West can contain this virus as confirmed cases in developed countries start to stack up. The next 60 days will tell us how deadly this virus will be in the Western world as the number of cases in Japan and South Korea is only starting to come online. Going from flu to organ failure and death could easily be a several week process.
Posted on 2/21/20 at 6:36 am to rds dc
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WTF is going on in Iran?
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Iran's health ministry says 'it is possible' coronavirus exists in all Iranian cities; there are currently 18 confirmed cases, 4 dead - Reuters
Posted on 2/21/20 at 6:42 am to Burhead
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1. If it takes such draconian measures like China implemented to slow this, that doesn't reassure me that a Western country could stop a serious outbreak once it starts. Not for medical reasons but more political and legal issues. The US will not be able to shut whole cities down because people will start filing lawsuits claiming their freedoms are being infringed upon.
I don't think a Western nation would be able to shut down cities like China has, but China has also shut down all forms of non governmental help (local clubs/organizations/churches/mom-profits) and people fear telling the CCP the truth about their condition. That creates all kinds of issues for effectively fighting the virus that Western countries won't be dealing with. The NYT article I linked to earlier talked about how donated masks meant for medical personnel are not making it to medical personnel, but are sitting in warehouses or being distributed to friends and family members of CCP leadership.
We assume that China with all of this authority is able to fight this better than anyone, but I think the evidence is to the contrary.
Posted on 2/21/20 at 6:55 am to Lima Whiskey
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An anti malarial? What’s the mechanism of action?
*comes out of the walk-in cooler with a bag of frozen hash browns for the deep fryer*
It dicks around with the pH within a intracellular structure the virus needs(Golgi if you are a bio nerd), making it harder for generated virons to leave the infected cell, and inhibiting proper glycosylation of envelope proteins meaning what virons that do escape have lower infectivity to boot.
Also, suppresses the immune system slightly which can result in a better outcome as a common comorbidity is having an auto immune disorder.
FRESH BATCH UP!
This post was edited on 2/21/20 at 7:01 am
Posted on 2/21/20 at 7:18 am to BennyAndTheInkJets
It’s crazy how fast this moved in Iran. 18 cases and 4 deaths and the health ministry is saying it is possible that it’s already in every city.
Posted on 2/21/20 at 7:25 am to rds dc
BNO Newsroom
@BNODesk
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UPDATE: Lebanon's first case of coronavirus is a woman who recently flew from Iran - AlJadeed
@BNODesk
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UPDATE: Lebanon's first case of coronavirus is a woman who recently flew from Iran - AlJadeed
Posted on 2/21/20 at 7:39 am to rds dc
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China Daily
@ChinaDaily
A novel #coronavirus pneumonia patient in Chengdu, Sichuan, tested positive for the virus on Wednesday after having originally recovered from the disease 10 days earlier.
Doctors in Wuhan warned that this was happening. However, will need to see some kind of published research on this from patients that have been closely tracked.
Posted on 2/21/20 at 7:46 am to rds dc
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Doctors in Wuhan warned that this was happening. However, will need to see some kind of published research on this from patients that have been closely tracked.
I am no medical expert, but this seems like a big deal if true.
Posted on 2/21/20 at 7:52 am to CivilTiger83
By itself, not really. Especially if it’s simply a case of reinfection.
Now reinfection in conjunction with a confirmed more severe pathology is worth getting your panties in a bunch over.
Now reinfection in conjunction with a confirmed more severe pathology is worth getting your panties in a bunch over.
Posted on 2/21/20 at 8:02 am to Volvagia
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By itself, not really. Especially if it’s simply a case of reinfection.
Now reinfection in conjunction with a confirmed more severe pathology is worth getting your panties in a bunch over.
Also, depending on what test they are running they could be detecting non viable virus or virus particles, IIRC from when I was in school lol
Posted on 2/21/20 at 8:04 am to Volvagia
Dr. Li, now deceased, the Dr. Li who was one of the first to warn of the disease back on Dec .31, gave an interview that I linked to pages ago to the Taiwan newspaper.
He wrote about reinfection. He didn't call it reinfection but a byproduct of the drugs that were given on first infection that suppressed that infection and then worked on the patient's organs and caused them to fail. He attributed to the second and more deadly symptoms to the medicines, more than to the disease.
Article with Dr. Li's comments
The doctor, Li Wenliang (???), who first raised warnings about the Wuhan virus, was rebuked by the authorities before succumbing to the devastating disease himself earlier this month.
According to the message forwarded to Taiwan News, “It’s highly possible to get infected a second time. A few people recovered from the first time by their own immune system, but the meds they use are damaging their heart tissue, and when they get it the second time, the antibody doesn’t help but makes it worse, and they die a sudden death from heart failure.”
And now he is dead from it.
He wrote about reinfection. He didn't call it reinfection but a byproduct of the drugs that were given on first infection that suppressed that infection and then worked on the patient's organs and caused them to fail. He attributed to the second and more deadly symptoms to the medicines, more than to the disease.
Article with Dr. Li's comments
The doctor, Li Wenliang (???), who first raised warnings about the Wuhan virus, was rebuked by the authorities before succumbing to the devastating disease himself earlier this month.
According to the message forwarded to Taiwan News, “It’s highly possible to get infected a second time. A few people recovered from the first time by their own immune system, but the meds they use are damaging their heart tissue, and when they get it the second time, the antibody doesn’t help but makes it worse, and they die a sudden death from heart failure.”
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According to the BBC and other media outlets, some laboratory tests are incorrectly telling people they are virus-free. There is also anecdotal evidence of people having up to six negative results before being diagnosed correctly.
Dr. Li Wenliang first raised concerns about this. His own test results had come back negative multiple times before he was finally diagnosed.
And now he is dead from it.
This post was edited on 2/21/20 at 8:13 am
Posted on 2/21/20 at 8:07 am to rds dc
I was thinking that too (and decided to not muddy the discussion too far and leave it out) but from a different perspective:
The easiest and most common field tests are serological in nature.
But they don’t test for the virus at all. They test for antibodies the body produces in response to the virus. Possible false positive from older antibodies still in the blood?
The easiest and most common field tests are serological in nature.
But they don’t test for the virus at all. They test for antibodies the body produces in response to the virus. Possible false positive from older antibodies still in the blood?
Posted on 2/21/20 at 8:24 am to real turf fan
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For the third time in eight days — and the second time in 24 hours — Chinese public health officials made changes Friday to their criteria for counting coronavirus cases, once again sowing confusion over the widely fluctuating figures. In a further sign of potential inconsistencies, an official in China’s Hubei Health Commission suggested that agencies were not being transparent and accurate in their reported case numbers.
LINK
Posted on 2/21/20 at 8:36 am to frankthetank
What are the drugs being used for treatment and which pharmaceutical companies make them?
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