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Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:10 pm to Yammie250F
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Listen to this guy. By far the most accurate and helpful info you've gotten. Field experience trumps all and don't chase a job title.
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mytigger
He's absolutely right. There are far too many guys expecting to be a project manager right out the gate. Listen, ask questions, and always be ready to learn and the money will come.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:15 pm to Manored77
By working in the field he means being on an actual commercial or industrial job site. You will probably not be swinging a hammer unless you go to work for a subcontractor. You will be tasked with doing whatever the superintendent or field operations manager needs you to do. You may be taking pictures and marking up drawings, shadowing a superintendent, etc. Being in the field gives you a good opportunity to learn how a project is built from the ground up and to experience some of the challenges that projects encounter.
I am a commercial estimator and I wish I would have gone into the field first. Once you become a pm or an estimator it is very hard to find the time to observe projects in the field.
Like one of the earlier posters said, you need to get an internship. Go to career services, they should be able to help you.
I am a commercial estimator and I wish I would have gone into the field first. Once you become a pm or an estimator it is very hard to find the time to observe projects in the field.
Like one of the earlier posters said, you need to get an internship. Go to career services, they should be able to help you.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:17 pm to HardHat
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By working in the field he means being on an actual commercial or industrial job site. You will probably not be swinging a hammer unless you go to work for a subcontractor. You will be tasked with doing whatever the superintendent or field operations manager needs you to do. You may be taking pictures and marking up drawings, shadowing a superintendent, etc. Being in the field gives you a good opportunity to learn how a project is built from the ground up and to experience some of the challenges that projects encounter.
I am a commercial estimator and I wish I would have gone into the field first. Once you become a pm or an estimator it is very hard to find the time to observe projects in the field.
Like one of the earlier posters said, you need to get an internship. Go to career services, they should be able to help you.
Yes!!!!
Finally, thank you! That's what I wanted to know. Now given this tidbit of relevant info:
1.) How does one go about trying to get this experience working with the super or field operations manager?
2.) Is the Post Bac certificate in CM sufficient enough in your opinion to satisfy at least the academic requirement need to pique the interest of the super or field operations manager I'd want to shadow?
This post was edited on 7/22/16 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:19 pm to Manored77
Don't waste your time on a CM master's. Go out and work a while then go get an MBA.
The MBA will be more useful in The long run.
The MBA will be more useful in The long run.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:19 pm to Manored77
I'm also a commercial contractor
My advise to you is to get hired on as a hand
your first few months you'll be sweeping, shoveling, hauling and watching/learning
then follow mytiggers advice
it's the only way
I would not even consider hiring anyone regardless of degree for an office job without a minimum one year in the field. everything you need to know, and I mean everything, will be learned on the job. All your degree tells me is that you can read, you can write, and you can learn
My advise to you is to get hired on as a hand
your first few months you'll be sweeping, shoveling, hauling and watching/learning
then follow mytiggers advice
it's the only way
I would not even consider hiring anyone regardless of degree for an office job without a minimum one year in the field. everything you need to know, and I mean everything, will be learned on the job. All your degree tells me is that you can read, you can write, and you can learn
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:22 pm to cgrand
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By working in the field he means being on an actual commercial or industrial job site. You will probably not be swinging a hammer unless you go to work for a subcontractor. You will be tasked with doing whatever the superintendent or field operations manager needs you to do. You may be taking pictures and marking up drawings, shadowing a superintendent, etc. Being in the field gives you a good opportunity to learn how a project is built from the ground up and to experience some of the challenges that projects encounter.
I am a commercial estimator and I wish I would have gone into the field first. Once you become a pm or an estimator it is very hard to find the time to observe projects in the field.
Like one of the earlier posters said, you need to get an internship. Go to career services, they should be able to help you.
Yes!!!!
Finally, thank you! That's what I wanted to know. Now given this tidbit of relevant info:
1.) How does one go about trying to get this experience working with the super or field operations manager?
2.) Is the Post Bac certificate in CM sufficient enough in your opinion to satisfy at least the academic requirement need to pique the interest of the super or field operations manager I'd want to shadow?
This post was edited on 7/22/16 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:22 pm to Manored77
I'm currently in Auburn's program. I start an internship in 3 weeks with Turner - I still have around 1.5 years left. Did LSU not stress the importance of internships/co-op in this field?
This post was edited on 7/22/16 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:25 pm to AUbagman
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I'm currently in Auburn's program. I start an internship in 3 weeks with Turner - I still have around 1.5 years left. Did LSU not stress the importance of internships/co-op in this field?
It's a Post Bac program not a bachelors or a masters. It's an accelerated version of their bachelors to meet the pre-reqs for their masters program.
It covers all the basics and is only a year long program full time. Are you in a masters or bachelors? Did you have any experience at all before getting your internship?
I am wondering if Turner would even look at the Post Bac for consideration.
This post was edited on 7/22/16 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:26 pm to Manored77
quote:
.) How does one go about trying to get this experience working with the super or field operations manager
you go beat the streets and get hired
are you really asking this question?
these are 15/hr jobs dude
Anyone with a pulse can get them
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:28 pm to cgrand
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you go beat the streets and get hired
are you really asking this question?
these are 15/hr jobs dude
Anyone with a pulse can get them
LOL! I expected that from the actual sub-contracting work but not from something such as working with a super or field operations manager? You can really get hired for this right off the bat?
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:32 pm to Manored77
Ah, I see. I'm in AU's bachelors program and will likely stop there. Yes, I should have mentioned I'm a tad bit older (28) and had 7 years of commercial construction experience prior to enrolling. Does LSU have building science specific career fairs? If so, go. I ended up getting 6 offers at AU's.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:34 pm to Manored77
I looked into this. I have a BA in landscape architecture. If I wanted to take the masters in construction management classes if have to get an associate constructors certification. That's passing a test encompassing basic construction and pro practice methods. Then take the GRE. At that point you would qualify to be a candidate to get into the school.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:35 pm to Manored77
One of my friends who was a general business major who got his masters had no problems transitioning from the post bac to the masters. He had worked in construction before, but only as a gopher for his dad when he was a teenager. You get your experience via internships between, or part time during, semesters. The LSU Construction Student Association (CSA) and Construction Industry Advisory Council (CIAC) will be super helpful for this. Just make sure you get involved in CSA and sign up for the mentor program. They'll pair you up with a CIAC member who will in all likelihood give you an internship if you can't find one yourself. Those internships typically pay between $9 and $16/hr.
You're going in the right direction.
You're going in the right direction.
This post was edited on 7/22/16 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:36 pm to AUbagman
The CM department hosts its own interviewing day. I had 2 offers from that when I graduated with my bachellors.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:40 pm to AUbagman
There is a lot of experience to be had working with a subcontractor as an estimator / project manager / assistant project manager / assistant superintendent.
Don't limit yourself only looking for a job with a general contractor.
I've worked for both a general contractor and sub contractor as an estimator and project manager and I've learned a hell of a lot more working with the sub contractor and have made a lot more money as well.
I agree with those in this thread who mentioned getting some on the job training, internships, and learning from guys actually doing the work, not talking about.
Good Luck
Don't limit yourself only looking for a job with a general contractor.
I've worked for both a general contractor and sub contractor as an estimator and project manager and I've learned a hell of a lot more working with the sub contractor and have made a lot more money as well.
I agree with those in this thread who mentioned getting some on the job training, internships, and learning from guys actually doing the work, not talking about.
Good Luck
This post was edited on 7/22/16 at 9:41 pm
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:40 pm to mytigger
Exactly that's why I just cheated on all my tests and figured I'd actually get the real learning done when I actually get a job
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:42 pm to Manored77
go back and read my first post
day one...here's a broom, get to sweeping
you'll move up from there
trust me
you'll stand out in the crowd of your peers
day one...here's a broom, get to sweeping
you'll move up from there
trust me
you'll stand out in the crowd of your peers
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:42 pm to kingbob
One of my friends who was a general business major who got his masters had no problems transitioning from the post bac to the masters. He had worked in construction before, but only as a gopher for his dad when he was a teenager. You get your experience via internships between, or part time during, semesters.
King bob you rock! I am going to sign up with this association ASAP. So your friend had no problems going from Post Bac to Masters? Did he have to take the GRE? I was told by an enrollment specialist that if you ace the Post Bac that it's much easier to transition to a masters and the GRE is waived. The only thing I was worried about was not lacking the managerial experience.
I am in the same boat as your friend. I did some summer work for my father in law putting up sheet rock. He owns a construction company. I could just ask him for help but he's in Texas and I'm in CA for now.
I hope that association you cited stretches out to CA!
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The LSU Construction Student Association (CSA) and Construction Industry Advisory Council (CIAC) will be super helpful for this. Just make sure you get involved in CSA and sign up for the mentor program. They'll pair you up with a CIAC member who will in all likelihood give you an internship if you can't find one yourself.
You're going in the right direction.
King bob you rock! I am going to sign up with this association ASAP. So your friend had no problems going from Post Bac to Masters? Did he have to take the GRE? I was told by an enrollment specialist that if you ace the Post Bac that it's much easier to transition to a masters and the GRE is waived. The only thing I was worried about was not lacking the managerial experience. I am in the same boat as your friend. I did some summer work for my father in law putting up sheet rock. He owns a construction company. I could just ask him for help but he's in Texas and I'm in CA for now.
I hope that association you cited stretches out to CA!
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:43 pm to Manored77
Sometimes it's not what you know, but who you know. I know PMs within our company that don't have a degree of any kind. I also know several without degrees that started at the bottom and eventually worked there way up to become a PM.
As a superintendent, the advice I can give you is the same as previous recommendations. Get hired with a reputable company in the area, and build a resume. Mention to them your intentions during interviews and go from there. Get your name out there and remember that first impressions go a long way so make sure you make a good one everytime you meet someone. If all else fails, just stay working in the field, the pay isn't that bad. Most make more than a PM anyhow.
As a superintendent, the advice I can give you is the same as previous recommendations. Get hired with a reputable company in the area, and build a resume. Mention to them your intentions during interviews and go from there. Get your name out there and remember that first impressions go a long way so make sure you make a good one everytime you meet someone. If all else fails, just stay working in the field, the pay isn't that bad. Most make more than a PM anyhow.
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