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re: Connecticut gun controls estimated to have cut fatal shootings by 40%
Posted on 6/14/15 at 12:17 pm to fightin tigers
Posted on 6/14/15 at 12:17 pm to fightin tigers
quote:Clames posted the gun crime numbers.
Violent crime involves a lot more than guns. As stated, the non-gun related crimes in CT stayed with the national average over those years. The gun laws did nothing to curb them.
I'll let you do the calculations.
Ya might at least try next time.
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Posted on 6/14/15 at 12:20 pm to ShortyRob
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Clames posted the gun crime numbers.
He posted 25 year statistics when we are focused on a 9 year study.
Ah, went back and see he added that graph to his post.
14,000 homicides to 10,000 homicides from 1995 to 2005.
Maybe it is my public school math, but what is 60% of 14,000?
This post was edited on 6/14/15 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 6/14/15 at 12:22 pm to ShortyRob
Common theme among those that think gun-control laws do anything that their proponents say they will. You won't find a more dishonest and willfully ignorant bunch.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 12:23 pm to TheOcean
His posts are spot on.
And please, unless you're a teenage girl, stop saying " cringe worthy".
And please, unless you're a teenage girl, stop saying " cringe worthy".
Posted on 6/14/15 at 12:24 pm to fightin tigers
Are you too blind to pick out that 9 year period in the graph I posted?
Posted on 6/14/15 at 12:24 pm to Clames
How many cops killed people during those years?
Posted on 6/14/15 at 12:27 pm to Sparkplug#1
Lot less than thugs in Chicago.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 12:27 pm to ShortyRob
What's really amazing, is that if you remove shitholes like Chicago, Gary, BR and other high homicide areas, violent crime has fallen to super-low rates.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 12:28 pm to Clames
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Are you too blind to pick out that 9 year period in the graph I posted?
Didn't see the edit.
14,000 homicides to 10,000 homicides from 1995 to 2005.
Maybe it is my public school math, but what is 60% of 14,000?
This post was edited on 6/14/15 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 6/14/15 at 12:30 pm to fightin tigers
quote:
Maybe it is my public school math, but what is 60% of 14,000?
44?
Posted on 6/14/15 at 12:32 pm to Street Hawk
LINK
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Compiled by the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDCP), this report was recently published and contains both good and bad news for gun-control advocates. The good news, for them, is that there are parts of the report they will be able to cite as showing a need for stricter gun laws. As an example; the report tells us that “the U.S. rate of firearm-related homicide is higher than that of any other industrialized country: 19.5 times higher than the rates in other high-income countries.” This will be music to the ears of those who want to disarm the American people. One interesting fact about this statistic, however, is that if one were to exclude figures for Illinois, California, New Jersey and Washington D.C., The homicide rate in the United States would be in line with any other country and – of course – the nation’s capital, along with these three states, have some of the strictest gun laws in the country. The irony of this is not lost on gun-rights advocates.
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Zara Matheson of the Martin Prosperity Institute used data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime and other sources to produce a map, which compared gun violence rates in the major metropolitan areas of the US to rates in entire foreign nations. Whilst it was a clever way to shock the uneducated into thinking that gun violence in the US was completely out of control, one glance at the map actually confirms the pointlessness of so-called “gun-control”; with the exception of New Orleans, Louisiana and Miami, Florida, the overwhelming majority of gun crime in the United States is concentrated in areas which have the strictest gun laws; The worst area being around Washington D.C., Baltimore, New Jersey and New York City; Detroit, Michigan; Chicago, Illinois and California. Compared to the areas mentioned, the rest of the country has relatively little gun-crime.
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Possibly the most significant statement in the report refers to the defensive use of firearms by law-abiding citizens. In regards to this, the report states “Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals.” This, of course, is something that is never reported in the mainstream media.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 12:44 pm to fightin tigers
We are looking at trends here. Trends. Do you know what a trend is and what they represent? Look at the national trend from 1995 - 2005 then look at CT's in the same period. Then look at a national trend to CT's to the most recent period covered by both and notice that CT's laws have had no effect whatsoever. Not surprisingly, just after this "study" was published the two US Senators from CT introduced a bill to require a national version of the law they are trying to pimp with these results.
Brainless assholes aren't as smart as they think they are.
Brainless assholes aren't as smart as they think they are.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 1:00 pm to Clames
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We are looking at trends here.
I am looking at the trend from 1995 to 2004. The one where CT outperformed the national average by over 10%.
My entire beef with this was when Shorty Rob said that there should be some evidence of greater reduction in gun violence to justify this.
His exact statement
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If their "gun control" had such an awesome effect, they should've been BETTER than the national drop.
Granted, all of this data is tainted since almost all of it is gathered with no control group. Meaning the national drop that you are touting is a reflection of gun control laws being enacted.
Whether or not you believe these federal laws did anything, they taint the data.
This post was edited on 6/14/15 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 6/14/15 at 1:16 pm to fightin tigers
quote:
He posted 25 year statistics when we are focused on a 9 year study.
Everyone is asking you to do simple math, yet you can't compute that from 1996 - 2005 is 10 years. Go figure.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 1:19 pm to N2cars
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What's really amazing, is that if you remove shitholes like Chicago, Gary, BR and other high homicide areas, violent crime has fallen to super-low rates.
Even in most shitholes it has fallen
Posted on 6/14/15 at 1:37 pm to MrLarson
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Everyone is asking you to do simple math, yet you can't compute that from 1996 - 2005 is 10 years. Go figure.
Apologies.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 1:43 pm to Street Hawk
What about Chicago's and Baltimore's gun controls?
Posted on 6/14/15 at 1:45 pm to fightin tigers
From 1996 to 2010, firearm homicide rates across the U.S. fell from 7.0 per 100,000 to 3.6 per 100,000.
That's a drop of 48%.
That's a drop of 48%.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 1:45 pm to fightin tigers
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I am looking at the trend from 1995 to 2004. The one where CT outperformed the national average by over 10%.
Really, is that what you think this study shows? You are terribly clueless. For the first few years from 1995 - 1998, CT was ABOVE that national average. Considerably so. So Mr. Rob is much closer to the truth that you are.
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Meaning the national drop that you are touting is a reflection of gun control laws being enacted.
What Federal laws? You mean the 1994 - 2004 Assault Weapons Ban that according to two DoJ studies had a negligible impact at best? That law has no relation to CT's handgun scheme so it must be some other Federal law you are thinking of. So which one is it? Come on, why do you pretend to know anything on this topic when every post proves you don't have a clue?
Posted on 6/14/15 at 1:50 pm to Clames
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What Federal laws?
After 1994 (pretty much when the downturn started nationwide), this one was kind of important.
Sorry for the Wikipedia link
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