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re: Congrats to all Alabama parents of the OT: massive k-12 reform officially happening

Posted on 3/6/24 at 10:57 pm to
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Oct 2007
22014 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 10:57 pm to
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Mountain Brook and Vestavia are basically private schools as it is, with local property taxes going to the school systems. Why would they be affected at all?


Just read the fine print. I mistakenly thought that schools would be forced to participate. Apparently they have to opt in. Vestavia and Mt Brook won't do that. They already experienced a version of this in the 80s and 90s with the bussing and forced integration and didn't like it.

Shelby Co is probably going to be crazy though. Lot of small schools will lose students to Thompson, Pelham, and Oak Mtn.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50578 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:18 pm to
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How do you oversee useful spending for homeschool?


It's a tax credit. You do it the same way you handle any tax credit.
Posted by arktiger28
Member since Aug 2005
4796 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:32 pm to
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How do you properly fund or oversee useful spending for homeschool? I like the rest, and glad the folks of the state itself voted to open the enrollments, but that item is glaring for questions.


I know here in Arkansas homeschoolers will get just a small portion of what everyone else is getting. Which is honestly fine. We looked at renting our homeschoolers out to people for manual labor instead of educating them. Then we would just pocket the states money and get rich. Turns out they aren’t handing much out.

Relax Francis, the state isn’t going to go broke throwing a few hundred dollars a semester to homeschoolers to help with an online class or two.
Posted by Jay Are
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
4846 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:47 pm to
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School choice is good for everyone.


Your choice of public school sounds good. The government funding your choice of private school sounds like a joke. Those are businesses, and a citizen can choose to spend their money or not. Why would the small government people be okay with this? Including homeschooling in this sounds like a tax scam waiting to happen.

But good job, Alambama. Way to avoid fixing a problem you've created.
Posted by Tigers0891
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2017
6579 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 12:05 am to
School Choice is a buzzword that for some reason conservatives have latched onto.

Like someone pointed out, household income has to be 140,000 grand to even get the full benefit of a 7 grand tax break. So what is really going down? Private schools going to increase tuition or change their policy to accept “special students” to soak up some more money ?

School choice is the most short sighted conservative movement there is. Instead of trying to apply common sense principles and having a backbone in the legislature to shoot down the unions and fix public, they will scream “choice” and just frick up the private schools too.

Education has turned into test scores for fed money and getting a college degree for a job. Education is supposed to be about discipline and learning HOW to think. Public schools aren’t working but this magical choice does absolutely nothing.
Posted by arktiger28
Member since Aug 2005
4796 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 12:07 am to
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The government funding your choice of private school sounds like a joke.


Where does the government get these funds you speak of?
Posted by Tigers0891
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2017
6579 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 12:13 am to
Oh and all parents have a CHOICE now to help their kids with homework, make them read, keep them occupied with some kind of productive hobby…but they don’t. That is why public school sucks. Because a bunch of low IQ people have kids with the same genes and on top of that don’t give a shite about them.

So public schools won’t be fixed unless you focus more on discipline and basics and magically sending kids to a private school does nothing.
Posted by BregmansWheelbarrow
Member since Mar 2020
2644 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 1:40 am to
Segregation legal again
Posted by faraway
Member since Nov 2022
2063 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 5:07 am to
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Mountain Brook and Vestavia are basically private schools
wring. MB schools are not that good. not even in the upper echelon of Bham suburbs.
Posted by faraway
Member since Nov 2022
2063 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 5:09 am to
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School choice is good for everyone.
apparently you people don't understand inflation.
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
32653 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 5:14 am to
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I like the rest, and glad the folks of the state itself voted to open the enrollments, but that item is glaring for questions.

Wouldn't end of the year testing at a state facility be beneficial? Maybe if your kids in the 5th grade all year and funding is successfully given and he fails miserably at the end of the year on standardized testing- you don't provide any more funding to that family until that child is caught up.
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
32653 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 5:20 am to
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Seems like the bill provides a credit to those who already have the means to put their kids in private or homeschool. Which isn’t a bad thing, but I don’t see how this is massive K12 reform.
So now people of Alabama can actually use their tax dollars on their own children and stop subsidizing these shitty schools with tenured teachers who can't be fired?

Oh no, the horror.
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
19696 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 5:25 am to
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Wouldn't end of the year testing at a state facility be beneficial? Maybe if your kids in the 5th grade all year and funding is successfully given and he fails miserably at the end of the year on standardized testing- you don't provide any more funding to that family until that child is caught up.


Ok, so what do you do with the school district when the same happens?
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
18430 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 5:28 am to
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So now people of Alabama can actually use their tax dollars on their own children and stop subsidizing these shitty schools with tenured teachers who can't be fired? Oh no, the horror.


Where did I say it was a bad thing?

A lot of you are absolutely retarded.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
18430 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 5:31 am to
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wring. MB schools are not that good. not even in the upper echelon of Bham suburbs.


Do enlighten us. Name one school better than Mountain Brook and provide your criteria for evaluating quality of schools.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13596 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 5:32 am to
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So you're worrying about Home School instead of the GIANT problems right in front on you? Public ED is crap, focus on fixing that. Worrying about a small segment that tends to do a great job is ignoring the bigger pic. Just saying.


And you think a tax credit will help that?

The only thing that will fix our education system is to fix the home. You can throw money at the school and give tax credits and any other “clever” ideas, but until you stop financially incentivizing lower class people in this country to have more kids this problem will never go away. Our education problem is a “poverty parents don’t give a frick about their kids” problem. Until the welfare state is fixed education will continue to decline.
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
5582 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 6:18 am to
What impact does this have on sports? In theory a school could recruit the hell out of kids from other schools and have them come to a certain school.

Has to be a rule in there right?
Posted by AtlantaLSUfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
23117 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 6:29 am to
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UNIVERSAL SCHOOL CHOICE.

So all the best schools are about to get overloaded with trash.

Private schools finda eat.
Posted by BCBass
Member since Mar 2013
23 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 6:43 am to
I’m curious to see how this will affect the 1A schools in Alabama. If students will be able to transfer out of their district those smaller schools are going to lose students year after year.

In my area there are several small 1A schools and some 3/4A close by.
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
61723 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 7:11 am to
Sounds like the cost of private school is about to go up


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