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re: Compared to H1N1

Posted on 3/12/20 at 12:32 pm to
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 3/12/20 at 12:32 pm to
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I mean I hope you're right, but data collected from other countries suggests more response is needed than what was done for swine flu, otherwise you end up like Italy which is approach 1,000 deaths just this week and the entire nation under quarantine.


I amazed at the faith people put in gov't. Can't balance a budget or deliver a letter, but can save us from a virus? Yeah, OK.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
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Posted on 3/12/20 at 12:36 pm to
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I agree with this but fail to see why the people who make that statement are the same ones predicting worldwide death and destruction. Why can’t we all take a “let’s be cautious, use best health practices and see where this goes” attitude?


I think most rational people realize this isnt the black death that will wipe out 1/3 of the population.

My chief concerns are:
1)Availability of care vs number of patients. If that proportion gets less than 1, you have real trouble.

2)Social cost. If you have a quarantine and people start taking things into their own hands you also have a real problem.

It's not hard to see how either of those is a possibility here.

The other frustrating part of this is that no one knows who has what because the CDC totally fubared this. That is compounding the problem, leading to higher probabilities of items 1 and 2 above.
Posted by ctiger69
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Posted on 3/12/20 at 12:38 pm to
The power the media has over the general uneducated population is scary. Coronavirus is a joke.
Posted by chryso
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Posted on 3/12/20 at 12:41 pm to
Corona is just getting started. Why do people keep comparing the final numbers on a virus to the beginning numbers of a different virus?
Posted by Alt26
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Posted on 3/12/20 at 12:52 pm to
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My chief concerns are:
1)Availability of care vs number of patients. If that proportion gets less than 1, you have real trouble.

2)Social cost. If you have a quarantine and people start taking things into their own hands you also have a real problem.


I think because everyone is now on "high alert" you are now going to see hospitals/medical facilities even MORE inundated with people terrified that any small unusual symptom is the corona virus whereas before they generally just brushed it off.

And what is the social cost of bringing society to a grinding halt for what, relative to the world population, doesn't appear to be a cataclysmic virus? Pandoras box is now open. There WILL be another mass disease breakout of some sort (Zika, Sars, Swine Flu, etc). Only NOW, the immediate reaction will be to totally shut down society. Does that cost outweigh the benefit?
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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Posted on 3/12/20 at 12:59 pm to
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H1N1
I got H1N1 back then. It was absolutely the worst few days of my life.

I see the blogs and Facebook feeds of those positive with CV19 and they all have mild or no symptoms. It is reassuring to me that as long as we take care of our elderly and immuno-comprised individuals this will come out way less severe than H1N1.
Posted by Loaner1231
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Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:07 pm to
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I see the blogs and Facebook feeds of those positive with CV19 and they all have mild or no symptoms. It is reassuring to me that as long as we take care of our elderly and immuno-comprised individuals this will come out way less severe than H1N1.


How would you explain the extremely higher mortality rate with COVID-19 with people saying the symptoms are much less severe?
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:11 pm to
If I remember correctly, H1N1 was not as a global issue as this. It didn’t spread around the world like this in 2 months. Feels like it was mostly Mexico and US...but maybe my memory is flawed
Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:19 pm to
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1)Availability of care vs number of patients. If that proportion gets less than 1, you have real trouble.


It would not take much to quickly overwhelm local health systems. How many ICU beds do you think are in the state of LA and what percentage are currently already in use?

The big fear is that this thing spreads rapidly in the span of a couple weeks and suddenly the manageable "joke" virus becomes unmanagable for a lot of people.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:28 pm to
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How would you explain the extremely higher mortality rate with COVID-19 with people saying the symptoms are much less severe?


Some people get sick..others dont. Its all down to your current health and biology. And to those saying definitively that this will be better or worse than H1N1 please provide were you are getting this info becasue most experts are stating they dont know but are concerned it could be worse. Also this is not effecting only the elderly and immuno compromised. Why this bullshite continues be perpetrated is weird. They are the most in danger but there are plenty of folks in their 20,30,40s that are sick. Some severely and some dying.
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:29 pm to
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Corona is just getting started. Why do people keep comparing the final numbers on a virus to the beginning numbers of a different virus?


If it gets 100 times worse, that would equal 3700 deaths in the US.
What will regular flu kill here this year?
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
31244 posts
Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:35 pm to
The point is, the media was not nearly as up in arms as they are about a virus now that is still in its infancy.

It's absolutely a political ploy by the MSM to tank the economy with the election coming up.

Problem is, anyone with half a brain isn't going to blame the tanking economy on Trump because of a virus started in China. Or maybe I'm giving the American people too much credit.
Posted by Mr Perfect
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:37 pm to
name one liberal in the media blaming the economy tanking on trump dude

sick of the lies you tradcons spew
Posted by Hangover Haven
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Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:38 pm to
Posted by Delacroix22
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:38 pm to
Got H1N1 my senior year of college

Horrible body aches
Horrible fever

Just an overwhelming sense of suffering

Everything hurt

I literally wanted to die

Sickest I’ve ever ever been
Posted by Mr Perfect
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 3/12/20 at 1:44 pm to
can't name anyone can ya huh dude..so you're lying through your skull
Posted by thompy
Memphis,TN
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 3/12/20 at 2:16 pm to
Between this and the 150,000,000 Americans killed by guns, we're all going to die
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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Posted on 3/12/20 at 2:17 pm to
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If I remember correctly, H1N1 was not as a global issue as this. It didn’t spread around the world like this in 2 months. Feels like it was mostly Mexico and US...but maybe my memory is flawed
Your memory is flawed.

H1N1 spread was more aggressive.

LINK
This post was edited on 3/12/20 at 2:18 pm
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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Posted on 3/12/20 at 2:20 pm to
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How would you explain the extremely higher mortality rate with COVID-19 with people saying the symptoms are much less severe?
Because there are so many positive individuals that are asymptomatic (35% of Diamond Princess positive tests were asymptomatic, and keep in mind cruise ship demographics lean heavily into the bad zone for CV19) or have mild symptoms and never see the doctor so are never accounted and skews the mortality rate.

I think once it is said and done we will see a CFR of .1% or less.
This post was edited on 3/12/20 at 2:24 pm
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 3/12/20 at 2:44 pm to
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Also this is not effecting only the elderly and immuno compromised. Why this bullshite continues be perpetrated is weird.
It is 'perpetrated' because it is 99% true.


Also, some light reading:

This Japanese paper, based on 565 Japanese evacuees from Wuhan, pegs asymptomatic at 41.6%.
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