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re: Colorado deputies shoot and kill man who asked for help after car crash
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:10 pm to UpToPar
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:10 pm to UpToPar
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He's not fit to be behind the wheel. You can argue they should have waited longer or should have tried other tactics (I agree), but they absolutely could not walk away from that situation.
This, there is no way they should have walked away from that. Dude was drugged out of his mind and had no business driving.
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:11 pm to BuckyCheese
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Bringing guns into the situation is just a needless escalation.
So is calling an emergency number because you're stuck in the mud.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:11 pm to Street Hawk
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“I’m in a 2007 Honda Pilot. I will not be fine on my own,” he told an operator. “You’re sending someone right? You tracked my location? My car is stuck under a bush … I love you. You’re my light right now. I’m really scared. I’m sorry.”
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The videos shared with The Associated Press show Glass refusing to come out of his car while also telling police he’s “terrified” and making heart shapes with his hands to officers. At one point, he also can be seen praying with folded hands and saying, “Dear Lord, please, don’t let them break the window.”
When the officers did break the window, Glass seemed to panic and grabbed a knife.
Police then shot Glass with bean bag rounds and shocked him with a stun gun before the young man twisted in his seat and thrust a knife toward an officer, the footage showed. Then one officer fired his gun, hitting Glass. The recordings then show Glass stabbing himself before he died.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/14/christian-glass-family-calls-for-accountability-after-death/
Response seems messed up. It also kind of seems a little lIke suicide by cop, but that doesn’t mean I think the cops should have complied with his wishes. If he had been reaching for a gun in car or had gotten out of car and lunged at police or ended up grappling with an another officer over a weapon i could see response, but this started with a call for help not a reported crime which sounded off enough mental issue should have been suspected going in.
This happened back in June. Thankfully no riots across the country took place over the summer. Reasonable people will wait for investigation and grand jury findings and so on.
Unfortunately true police reform can’t be addressed when it’s only lambasted out across medias as a systematic racist issue against blacks. Recognizing non-black deaths by police too much might offend the always offended.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:12 pm to kengel2
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This, there is no way they should have walked away from that.
Grown ups get it. They would have been liable (at least publicly) had something happened.
The only place cops screwed up was making it violent. They should have reasoned with the dude, and there was no way they could just leave. Cops arent counselors for sure.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:12 pm to dallastigers
Darwin is undefeated.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:20 pm to Giantkiller
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British guy gets his car stuck, calls 911
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Grown ups get it. They would have been liable (at least publicly) had something happened.
Sounds like something society should address
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The only place cops screwed up was making it violent. They should have reasoned with the dude, and there was no way they could just leave. Cops arent counselors for sure.
Yeah. At no point did they have reason to think he had the capacity to harm them. He was in a car, with a knife and a hammer and was surrounded by cops with firearms. That is until a dude was standing on the roof of the car pointing a gun at him.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:26 pm to UpToPar
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Body cam footage here: LINK
He clearly has a knife and takes a stab at the guy trying to open the rear driver side door.
Yup. People dumping on the cops for killing him probably haven't watched the video.
I do concede however that the situation could've possibly been resolved far more peacefully if one of the overzealous cops stepped aside and had someone just talk to him.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:29 pm to BuckyCheese
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escalated the situation at that point.
The cops escalated the situation.
He called the cops for help, they show up fairly quickly, calmly try to help/talk to him, he refuses the help and simple commands, puts his window up, locks the door, acts irrationally/impaired, and the cops tolerate/work with him with multiple officers at various points, and the cops are the ones who escalated the situation? The guns escalated it more, but this is on the dude. Why would you refuse to work with the people who you just called for help? Clearly he was fricked up, but the cops would have never been there and wouldn't have stayed long if it weren't for his actions.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:42 pm to Steadyhands
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The guns escalated it more, but this is on the dude.
This is the disconnect.
The guy is sitting in his car with the windows up and doors locked. Why have 5 cops point a gun at him when he is zero threat to anyone? They are telling him "you will die if you don't do exactly as we say". While he has done nothing to demand such a response.
The cops 100% escalated the situation. If you don't agree you are in the comply or die bootlicker group and I hope like hell they visit you one day.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:46 pm to idlewatcher
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do concede however that the situation could've possibly been resolved far more peacefully if one of the overzealous cops stepped aside and had someone just talk to him.
Absolutely. The bald headed cop in shorts seemed to be the most calm and level headed. They rest should have backed away and let him talk to the guy and try to coax him out the car.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:50 pm to UpToPar
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The bald headed cop in shorts seemed to be the most calm and level headed.
He appeared to be the oldest, and likely the most experienced, of the group. The older guys don't seem to be indoctrinated with this shoot first/respect my authority attitude the younger crowd has. They try to de-escalate things versus turning everything up to ten.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:53 pm to BuckyCheese
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The cops 100% escalated the situation. If you don't agree you are in the comply or die bootlicker group and I hope like hell they visit you one day.
The cops did absolutely escalate the situation. It seems like 99% of posters in this thread agree that the cops response turned to absolute shite at some point and resulted in an unnecessary death that someone should potentially go to jail for. However, the cops having 100% escalated the situation, did not cause 100% of the escalation. They didn't start the escalation, and they didn't go extreme with the escalation until well after giving him multiple attempts to get out while having multiple officers take an attempt to talk him out. It was at the point where it was time to forcefully remove him. Unfortunately, that part was executed very poorly.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:53 pm to BuckyCheese
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This is the disconnect.
It is indeed. We get it. You hate cops and you're super fricking edgy about it.
Absolving this guy makes you a moron.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:54 pm to Steadyhands
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The cops did absolutely escalated the situation. It seems like 99% of posters in this thread agree that the cops response turned to absolute shite
Correct.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:56 pm to BuckyCheese
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The guy is sitting in his car with the windows up and doors locked. Why have 5 cops point a gun at him when he is zero threat to anyone?
Just to clarify, you think people under the influence of drugs should be able to just drive away after they have very clearly already wrecked their vehicle?
You're a gigantic piece of shite.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:12 pm to BuckyCheese
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The guy is sitting in his car with the windows up and doors locked. Why have 5 cops point a gun at him when he is zero threat to anyone? They are telling him "you will die if you don't do exactly as we say". While he has done nothing to demand such a response.
The cops 100% escalated the situation. If you don't agree you are in the comply or die bootlicker group and I hope like hell they visit you one day.
The first 5 minutes of the video were tense because kid was acting crazy. The next 60 minutes were completely calm, the cops offering him beef jerky, sodas, cigarettes, to call someone for him, talking about his amethyst rocks, doing a fantastic job of de-escalating the situation.
Then in the last 5 minutes he picks up the knife again, one of the cops gets on the hood to get a light on his hands and the knife, and he starts wigging out again. The friendly grandpa cop is pleading with him to just unlock the door so they can get him help and everyone gets home. They repeatedly ask him to drop the knife.
In the last 2 minutes of the video they finally decide to break the passenger window and all hell breaks loose. Kid starts screaming, they taze him and hit him with bean bags, he doesn't drop the knife, he turns towards one of the cops holding the knife like the chick from Psycho, and gets capped.
How it went from zero to 100 in the span of 90 seconds is hard to believe.
The kid was not mentally fit to be driving, not mentally fit to be brandishing a knife. Sadly his choice to get high out of his mind cost him his life.
And sadly his parents, the media, and those who can't be bothered with getting all the facts will blame the cops.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:16 pm to Narbona
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he first 5 minutes of the video were tense because kid was acting crazy. The next 60 minutes were completely calm, the cops offering him beef jerky, sodas, cigarettes, to call someone for him, talking about his amethyst rocks, doing a fantastic job of de-escalating the situation.
Then in the last 5 minutes he picks up the knife again, one of the cops gets on the hood to get a light on his hands and the knife, and he starts wigging out again. The friendly grandpa cop is pleading with him to just unlock the door so they can get him help and everyone gets home. They repeatedly ask him to drop the knife.
In the last 2 minutes of the video they finally decide to break the passenger window and all hell breaks loose. Kid starts screaming, they taze him and hit him with bean bags, he doesn't drop the knife, he turns towards one of the cops holding the knife like the chick from Psycho, and gets capped.
How it went from zero to 100 in the span of 90 seconds is hard to believe.
and the news outlets are posting the first 30 seconds and the last minute in one video as if all of this didn't happen in the middle. Dishonest frickers.
I think we need another level of non lethal force, like tranquillizer darts.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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1. Individual blood lust;
2. Institutional culture of promoting killing; or
3. Mental retardation.
4. Individuals scared of their own shadow, armed with a gun, very limited grasp of individual rights and “qualified” immunity.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:20 pm to kengel2
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Just to clarify, you think people under the influence of drugs should be able to just drive away after they have very clearly already wrecked their vehicle?
You're a gigantic piece of shite.
Quite the reach you are making there.
If you look at pics of the vehicle it is obviously stuck. You can see the front left tire is unloaded and had been spinning. He called 911 because he was stuck. The keys were on the dash.
So, frick off.
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