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re: Colorado deputies shoot and kill man who asked for help after car crash
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:52 am to BuckyCheese
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:52 am to BuckyCheese
Nope, I was very aware of what you were going for, but A for effort!
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:52 am to shel311
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but you have unequivocally taken not knowing and made it a fact that he did not state this is as a concern.
I did no such thing
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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How we judge these situations, as they occurred in real time.
As you watched the video, did you suspect he may have been impaired?
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:53 am to Dizz
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Deputies said they didn’t want him to throw the weapons out of the car and instead demanded that he get out of the car.
Did they think he was going to execute a Rambo knife throw and hurt someone? It would have been to simple to just move from that side of the car and let him throw them out
He needed to get out of the car anyways, so why not just leave the knives in the car and he get out. The police were aware of the knives and not worried about them initially, or especially would not have worried about them if he was out of the car. Keep your view of this situation logical. Vehicle was stuck, how is throwing the knives out going to help that situation? I've been pulled over before with all kinds of crap in my vehicle that could have been a weapon. None of it was never mentioned, because I interacted with the police, which was extremely simple and what they wanted.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:54 am to shel311
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Is that a normal policy that a cop is told to do in his training, wait it out?
I don't think normal policy was followed at all in this situation, so that question isn't really applicable.
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It's still very relevant.
A sober person driving away is relevant to intoxicated driving, how?
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:54 am to UpToPar
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As you watched the video, did you suspect he may have been impaired?
I think he was having more of a mental break than anything, which isn't illegal.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:54 am to crazy4lsu
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Of course they do, but we are asking them to do multiple things at once without appropriate training.
Their training just conditions them to extreme self protection. All PDs should have mental health negotiators on staff.
Not that they would have allowed anyone unarmed near the guy though.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:54 am to shel311
No problem with the shoot here.
Admits to having weapons
Acts totally irrational
Admits to smoking something
Multiple cops asked the dude to get out, including the women and the older gentleman
Cops try multiple nonlethal methods and my guess because the dude is hopped up on drugs they dont work
Dude trys to stab a cop
And this is just from the edited video which without a doubt was edited in a way to be least damaging to the deceased. Not only that, but this shite went on for a long time.
Im sad for the guys family but this is the consequence of getting fricked up out of your mind. Unfortunate, but that is the reality here.
Admits to having weapons
Acts totally irrational
Admits to smoking something
Multiple cops asked the dude to get out, including the women and the older gentleman
Cops try multiple nonlethal methods and my guess because the dude is hopped up on drugs they dont work
Dude trys to stab a cop
And this is just from the edited video which without a doubt was edited in a way to be least damaging to the deceased. Not only that, but this shite went on for a long time.
Im sad for the guys family but this is the consequence of getting fricked up out of your mind. Unfortunate, but that is the reality here.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 11:56 am
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:55 am to diat150
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No problem with the shoot here.
At what point do you believe a LEO was in legitimate threat of serious bodily harm in this situation?
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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A sober person driving away is relevant to intoxicated driving, how?
What caused that individual to be sober? Was it law enforcement leaving them to their own decisions?
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:56 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:That question is very applicable, so I'll ask it again, Is that a normal policy that a cop is told to do in his training, wait it out?
I don't think normal policy was followed at all in this situation, so that question isn't really applicable.
quote:An intoxicated person driving and crashing being allowed to get away with said crime is absolutely relevant.
A sober person driving away is relevant to intoxicated driving, how?
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:56 am to shel311
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Some are arguing the cops should just sit there and wait it out for hours. I highly doubt that's a policy they utilize, so even if that is what you want them to do, I doubt that is something they're allowed to do.
And if they identify some psychiatric issue at hand, whether induced by some drug, medication, or lack thereof, there has to be some protocol in place. If there isn't the issue is structural. If there was a protocol, why wasn't it followed, etc. etc.
The fundamental issue is that we are asking cops to deal with every type of situation with a hammer, and train them as such, and thus everything in the world looks like a nail. Everyone is being failed here.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:57 am to crazy4lsu
quote:Right and I and I think others have asked, what is a typical policy...but no one seems to know.
And if they identify some psychiatric issue at hand, whether induced by some drug, medication, or lack thereof, there has to be some protocol in place. If there isn't the issue is structural. If there was a protocol, why wasn't it followed, etc. etc.
Obviously we won't know this specific department's policy, but it would be good to hear from a cop or someone who knows generally speaking what policies may be or their depts specific policy just for reference.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 11:58 am
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:58 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Their training just conditions them to extreme self protection. All PDs should have mental health negotiators on staff.
Or crisis response teams or cross-training in EMS or calling an on-call physician at the nearest hospital and on and on.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:58 am to Dizz
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If the safety concern was the weapons then getting them out of the car should alleviate that concern. Its was a knife not a gun so the danger is still contaitned in the car. It seemed to be the only option considered was forcefully getting him out of the car, which is the only way the cops could be put in danger by the knife/tools. There is knife let me get closer to it when I don't have to doesn't make sense.
Quit being stupid. Would you trust anything a person in that state of mind is saying? Besides that, he clearly was too fricked up to be driving so he had to come out of the car.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:58 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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What caused that individual to be sober?
The person being left alone long enough for any potential illegal or intoxicating substances are out of his body and removing any evidence that he may have been possibly driving intoxicated.
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Was it law enforcement leaving them to their own decisions?
If they just sat around for long enough and didn't engage in escalate a situation then yes
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:59 am to diat150
quote:That's the other thing, he said he had only knives. You're going to just trust him and tell him to go ahead and grab his weapons...or...ask him to get out of the vehicle?
Quit being stupid. Would you trust anything a person in that state of mind is saying? Besides that, he clearly was too fricked up to be driving so he had to come out of the car.
Simple safety procedure it'd seem is get him out of the car
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:59 am to shel311
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That question is very applicable, so I'll ask it again, Is that a normal policy that a cop is told to do in his training, wait it out
I'm not 100% sure what Colorado policy is but based on the supervisor's comments they shouldn't have been there so I don't think it's policy to let them wait because they shouldn't have been there to even wait in the first place
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An intoxicated person driving and crashing being allowed to get away with said crime is absolutely relevant.
Like I said the only people who care are the people who lust for punishment in defiance of the police state.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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At what point do you believe a LEO was in legitimate threat of serious bodily harm in this situation?
Probably when the guy swung the knife at the cop trying to open the door.
You're focusing on the wrong thing here. They 100% went about getting him out of the car the wrong way, but once you attempt to stab a cop with a knife, you're putting your life in their hands.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:01 pm to Street Hawk
Is there a video in the link?
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