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re: Colombia's president says cocaine is no worse than whiskey
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:18 am to Joshjrn
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:18 am to Joshjrn
Just look at what the detox of both entails. Alcohol is the worst detox a person can go through.
I just helped a friend detox off alcohol and I don't wish that on anyone.
Cocaine is completely out your system within 3 days. Withdrawals are minor.
Alcohol withdrawal can last for weeks.
I just helped a friend detox off alcohol and I don't wish that on anyone.
Cocaine is completely out your system within 3 days. Withdrawals are minor.
Alcohol withdrawal can last for weeks.
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Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:23 am to magildachunks
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Just look at what the detox of both entails. Alcohol is the worst detox a person can go through.
I just helped a friend detox off alcohol and I don't wish that on anyone.
Cocaine is completely out your system within 3 days. Withdrawals are minor.
Alcohol withdrawal can last for weeks.
Yup.
And to elaborate on my previous post, I think anyone who knows their drugs, if told "alright, you're about the get into a vehicle being driven by someone. You choose whether they are either hopped up on coke (pure, no other drugs or adulterants) or drunk from alcohol" and I think the overwhelming majority of people would choose the driver on coke. Someone abusing cocaine is likely to be vastly more productive than someone abusing alcohol. The health effects of long term use of either are bad, but alcohol seems to have a far larger system affect on the body than cocaine, if for no other reason than you consume far more alcohol than cocaine when using.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:25 am to RLDSC FAN
Legalize it and make Joey Diaz the first Cocaine Czar.
This post was edited on 2/6/25 at 11:25 am
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:26 am to RLDSC FAN
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Do you agree?
No there's a lot more shitty ingredients added to cocaine compared to whiskey.
Gasoline or kerosene – to extract the cocaine base from coca leaves
Sulfuric acid – to create a crude paste
Lime or ammonia – to adjust pH levels
Acetone, ether, or hydrochloric acid – to refine the cocaine into its final powdered form
This post was edited on 2/6/25 at 11:28 am
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:31 am to LSU Coyote
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Alcohol is trashy.
Don't get married, and you'll need less of it.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:31 am to 777Tiger
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didn't Coca Cola used to put that in their drink? and it was pretty common at the time they did, iirc
Coco leaves are still used for flavor. There's a company based out of New Jersey and is the only company in the US that the FDA allows to purchase those leaves. They then sell it all to Coca-Cola.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:32 am to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
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No there's a lot more shitty ingredients added to cocaine compared to whiskey.
Gasoline or kerosene – to extract the cocaine base from coca leaves
Sulfuric acid – to create a crude paste
Lime or ammonia – to adjust pH levels
Acetone, ether, or hydrochloric acid – to refine the cocaine into its final powdered form
That's an unreasonable comparison due to cocaine currently being illegal. Alcohol was horrific during prohibition. It's not anymore, because it's a legitimate product. Gasoline and kerosene, et al., are used because they are cheap, not because they are necessary. Plenty of better, safer solvents. Plenty of better, safer ways to adjust pH, etc, etc.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:33 am to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
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There are WAY more deaths in the US stemming from alcohol
than cocaine
Are you a dumb arse? Why would you post this? Are the Indian gas station owners selling cocaine from behind the counter now?
This post was edited on 2/6/25 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:34 am to RLDSC FAN
He's also a "former" guerilla and gave all the other former guerilla veterans status. His answer shouldn't be surprising.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:35 am to Joshjrn
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That's an unreasonable comparison due to cocaine currently being illegal. Alcohol was horrific during prohibition. It's not anymore, because it's a legitimate product. Gasoline and kerosene, et al., are used because they are cheap, not because they are necessary. Plenty of better, safer solvents. Plenty of better, safer ways to adjust pH, etc, etc.
I know there are safer ways to make it, but I don't understand why it's an unreasonable comparison since that's how it's currently being made.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:40 am to RLDSC FAN
It is hard to imagine that cocaine made in a laboratory with high quality control and sensibly regulated would be more dangerous than whiskey made in the same manner. Its the illegality of any drug that makes them risky and not using as intended is dangerous.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:41 am to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
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I know there are safer ways to make it, but I don't understand why it's an unreasonable comparison since that's how it's currently being made.
It would be reasonable if someone were arguing that consumption of illicit cocaine is no worse than consumption of legal whiskey, but that's not the topic at hand. If it were, we don't need to go into gasoline; all we'd have to acknowledge is that illicit cocaine sometimes has fentanyl in it. /thread
But if the topic is legal cocaine versus legal whiskey, I don't think it's reasonable to count marks against cocaine that would go away if it were a legal product.
This post was edited on 2/6/25 at 11:42 am
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:41 am to RLDSC FAN
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and is only illegal because it comes from Latin America
He is wrong here. It’s illegal because of big pharmaceutical in the 20s or 30s made it so.
Check your history of who wrote the controlled substance legislation back in the day coming out of prohibition in particular.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:43 am to Joshjrn
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If we assume for the sake of argument all things equal: that you can buy them both off the shelf which means that we aren’t worried about adulterated alcohol or cocaine, then yes, I would say cocaine is likely less harmful than whiskey, both on a personal/physical health level as well as through a societal cost analysis.
You would also have to make some kind of adjustment for the level of social acceptance and norming of alcohol compared to the fact that this will never happen with cocaine even if you made it just as legal and accessible as alcohol.
There will never be situations where people look at you weird in a gathering if you’re not doing lines with them.
This post was edited on 2/6/25 at 11:44 am
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:48 am to Dadren
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You would also have to make some kind of adjustment for the level of social acceptance and norming of alcohol compared to the fact that this will never happen with cocaine even if you made it just as legal and accessible as alcohol.
There will never be situations where people look at you weird in a gathering if you’re not doing lines with them.
Doing lines? I agree. Same thing with anything involving needles.
But in a world where high grade cocaine has been legal for a few generations, I could see someone holding out their case and asking if you wanted a bit to run over your gums looking at you in roughly the same way if you refused as if you offered someone a glass of wine in your home and they asked for water. Nothing over the top, but mild surprise.
To be clear, I'm not saying that's a good or bad thing; just giving my best guess knowing what I do of human nature
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:51 am to RLDSC FAN
He’s right.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:54 am to magildachunks
Like so many people in this thread, you aren't comparing apples to apples.
Your friend did not detox from one night of drinking. One night of drinking (done poorly) by a non-alcoholic is a few hour hangover.
Your friend had to detox because he is an alcoholic whose body depends on alcohol to function.
The same is true of a coke addict, someone whose body depends on cocaine to function. They aren't going to sleep off their body's chemical dependency in in three days.
Your friend did not detox from one night of drinking. One night of drinking (done poorly) by a non-alcoholic is a few hour hangover.
Your friend had to detox because he is an alcoholic whose body depends on alcohol to function.
The same is true of a coke addict, someone whose body depends on cocaine to function. They aren't going to sleep off their body's chemical dependency in in three days.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:54 am to RLDSC FAN
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"If you want peace, you have to dismantle the business (of drug trafficking)," he said. "It could easily be dismantled if they legalize cocaine in the world. It would be sold like wine."
he's not wrong
people will always risk death and violence when margins are this outrageous
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In 2019, the latest year for which data are available, a kilo of cocaine in Colombia typically cost $1,491 at wholesale prices. In Mexico that kilo was $12,433 at wholesale prices. In El Salvador it is $28,873.
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But the real profits come from outside Latin America. A kilo at wholesale prices in the United States typically cost $69,000 in 2019. The farther it goes, the more expensive coke becomes. In China, where some Colombian gangs are reportedly hoping to boost their profit margins even further in the next decade or so, a kilo cost $69,380 in the mainland and $72,510 in Hong Kong. In Australia a kilo in 2017, the most recent prices available, typically cost $152,207.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:57 am to bulletprooftiger
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Like so many people in this thread, you aren't comparing apples to apples.
Your friend did not detox from one night of drinking. One night of drinking (done poorly) by a non-alcoholic is a few hour hangover.
Your friend had to detox because he is an alcoholic whose body depends on alcohol to function.
The same is true of a coke addict, someone whose body depends on cocaine to function. They aren't going to sleep off their body's chemical dependency in in three days.
For a long term addict, no, they won't be over withdrawal in three days. With that said, cocaine detox actually isn't terrible, all things considered. On the other hand, full blown alcohol detox can fricking kill you if you aren't careful.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:59 am to Joshjrn
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Doing lines? I agree. Same thing with anything involving needles.
But in a world where high grade cocaine has been legal for a few generations, I could see someone holding out their case and asking if you wanted a bit to run over your gums looking at you in roughly the same way if you refused as if you offered someone a glass of wine in your home and they asked for water. Nothing over the top, but mild surprise.
To be clear, I'm not saying that's a good or bad thing; just giving my best guess knowing what I do of human nature
That makes sense. I honestly hadn’t really thought about the possibility (maybe likelihood) that it being legal would change how people use it and that could make it safer, especially if there is some sort of oversight over production and distribution.
And yeah I hear you. I know you’re not advocating using cocaine.
But it’s interesting to think about since criminalization has obviously caused a ton of problems we don’t have solutions for. 
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