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re: College student kicked off plane for speaking Arabic on phone
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:06 pm to Hog on the Hill
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:06 pm to Hog on the Hill
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Yes, fallacious straw man arguments are irrational.
Look, I'm not saying it's right. But are you honestly saying it's irrational for someone worry that a Muslim on their flight could be a terrorist?
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Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:07 pm to Goldrush25
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Are you sure? Have you spoken to all liberals?
Do you dispute it? It's one central them of being an American liberal, and multiculturalism is the key element.
At the heart of a liberal is the fear of someone being oppressed by the more powerful
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:08 pm to dnm3305
quote:I don't want to walk down any street at night unless I have a reason to be there and I know where I'm going. I prefer not to walk in unfamiliar neighborhoods at night unless it's a highly trafficked street. And let's be real, the chances of being a victim of a crime at night in a high crime neighborhood is way higher than your chances of being killed by someone speaking Arabic on a plane.
Not all blacks living in the ghetto are gangmembers, but would you want to walk 10 blocks down their street at night? What about walking down an alley in NOLA at night?
I'm not familiar with NOLA so no I would not walk down an alley at night.
In NYC, I'll walk around at night in neighborhoods I know. I've walked around Bed Stuy at night before.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Yes, I dispute it. That was a straw man.
Do you dispute it? It's one central them of being an American liberal, and multiculturalism is the key element.
At the heart of a liberal is the fear of someone being oppressed by the more powerful
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:09 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:Was he even Muslim? Being Arab and speaking Arabic doesn't make you Muslim. Neither does saying "inshallah".
Look, I'm not saying it's right. But are you honestly saying it's irrational for someone worry that a Muslim on their flight could be a terrorist?
But yeah, it's irrational to assume that someone is a terrorist just because they're speaking Arabic.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:10 pm to RandySavage
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That's the world we live in, it's unfortunate but they've done it to themselves and they should completely understand why people are apprehensive.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:10 pm to dnm3305
quote:And this is the point on which I fundamentally disagree with you. Blanketed prejudice towards Muslims is exactly what radical Muslims want more than anything else. That would be their single greatest recruiting tool and it is the exact reason that they undertake terrorists activities in the first place.
You can believe this all you want, but the blanketed side that will be prejudice towards Muslims would be a safer place where there would be no risk of ever riding on a suicide plane.
Point of clarification so there is no ambiguity here: that's not to say that terrorists activities are "retribution" for Muslim prejudice. Rather, the goal of terrorism is precisely to cause you to feel exactly what it is you are feeling right now (that blanketed, overarching prejudice towards Muslims is appropriate). They know that if they can create enough hate towards Islam in general (not radical Islam, but the blanket distrust of all Muslims you're promoting), then more and more Muslims will converge towards their ideology giving me them more power to enforce it. Sure, you might be very marginally safer when on an aircraft. But you're just trading off a short run threat for a long term one.
Now, none of this is to say that the left's approach of assuming they are all good, minus the .01% currently an active part of terrorists networks, is a good one either. Deluding yourself to believe that there is no danger when it's continually shouting at your face is fundamentally unhealthy and unsustainable, so I definitely don't want them getting their way either.
My only point is that your position, while well intentioned, isn't giving you any of the safety which you suppose it is. Quite the opposite, it encourages both the mentality you hate from the left and the one you fear from Islam
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:13 pm to Darth_Vader
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And how often do you hear about the HAs doing any of the following....
A. Hijacking planes
B. Blowing up planes
C. Blowing up airports
D. Hijacking planes and flying into buildings
E. Going into a newspaper and shooting everyone
F. Boarding a bus and blowing everyone up
H. Going into a hospital and shooting everyone
I. Strapping on a bomb and blowing up a night club
J. Throwing people off buildings
K. Beheading people in the town square
L. Crucifying people in the town square
M. Burning people alive in a cage
N. Stoning people to death in the town square
O. Going into a mall and mowing everyone down
P. Going into a party and mowing everyone down?
Q. Going to an armed forces recruiting station and mowing everyone down.
R. Using their car to run people over on purpose.
S. Going into a diner and hacking people to death with a machete.
T. Planting bombs at a large public gathering like a huge marathon.
U. Getting on a train and opening fire on everyone
V. Using a butchers knife to stab an innocent kid on the subway
W. Using a meat cleaver to hack to death random people on the street
X. Strap explosives to people and blow them up
Y. Shoot people with an RPG
Z. Shoot little girls in the head because they went to school.
I'll hang up and listen.
What do the frick do you have against G?
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:14 pm to Hog on the Hill
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Yes, I dispute it. That was a straw man.
Multiculturalism, perception of equality and how it manifests as political and social power is a key element of American liberalism. If you're talking classical liberalism, it's a totally different story
This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:14 pm to LSUBoo
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What do the frick do you have against G?
Muslims are well known for their practice of G-had, Angels have been known to dabble in it too
This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:15 pm to Hog on the Hill
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And let's be real, the chances of being a victim of a crime at night in a high crime neighborhood is way higher than your chances of being killed by someone speaking Arabic on a plane
Well, let's be real. Your chance of having a life threatening altercation goes up exponentially by either of these events. It's so baffling the arguments that looney toon liberals make when you consider they are fighting against basic biology. Human beings, by nature, are all about self preservation. Liberals will try to tell me it's wrong to discriminate, but a series of events in life has happened that has told me that I am automatically in danger when Im around certain types of people. Animals in the wild do this for every single second of their life, yet liberals want humans, which are animals, to downplay this for the sake of not hurting someone's feelings.
This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:18 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Thanks ISIS
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:20 pm to LSUBoo
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What do the frick do you have against G?
I've always hated it. Even when I was a kid, if Sesame Street was brought to us that day by the letter G, I turned that shite off. frick G.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:It was your characterization of it that I dispute. "hating the majority" in particular
Multiculturalism, perception of equality and how it manifests as political and social power is a key element of American liberalism.
It's a straw man. Google that shite.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:23 pm to Hog on the Hill
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It was your characterization of it that I dispute. "hating the majority" in particular
In a practical manifestation, it's exactly what it is.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:24 pm to dnm3305
quote:No, your chance of having a life threatening altercation does not go up exponentially just because an Arabic speaker gets on the plane. Especially if you consider murder-suicide plane crashes as "life threatening altercations"
Well, let's be real. Your chance of having a life threatening altercation goes up exponentially by either of these events. It's so baffling the arguments that looney toon liberals make when you consider they are fighting against basic biology. Human beings, by nature, are all about self preservation. Liberals will try to tell me it's wrong to discriminate, but a series of events in life has happened that has told me that I am automatically in danger when Im around certain types of people. Animals in the wild do this for every single second of their life, yet liberals want humans, which are animals, to downplay this for the sake of not hurting someone's feelings.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:24 pm to LSUTANGERINE
was this on an american airlines? Mfr should be required to speak english
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:24 pm to dnm3305
quote:If we're being real, I want to how precisely how you define exponentially. The term marginally seems way way more accurate to me. And if we're talking about statistical margins, I'm fairly certain you have a higher probability of dying in a ghetto neighborhood during the middle of the night than simply from being in an airplane with someone who speaks Arabic.
Well, let's be real. Your chance of having a life threatening altercation goes up exponentially by either of these events.
This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:No, it's not. Protecting minorities does not mean hating the majority. You are insisting on a false dichotomy.
In a practical manifestation, it's exactly what it is.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:25 pm to dnm3305
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Your chance of having a life threatening altercation goes up exponentially by either of these events.
hundreds of thousands of arabic speaking people ride planes every day the odds of you being on a plane with an arabic speaking person who intends threaten your life is one in a trillion
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