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re: Climate Change Question...not regarding man made or natural cycles...
Posted on 10/9/24 at 12:05 pm to SuperSaint
Posted on 10/9/24 at 12:05 pm to SuperSaint
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Nothing is static baw
^^^^^ take this to heart
Posted on 10/9/24 at 12:07 pm to sidewalkside
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"Extreme weather events" (I know this is a loaded term) are happening more frequently and there is no doubt about that so let's stop arguing if it's man made or natural.
Why weren’t there any major hurricane landfalls in the U.S. between 2005 and 2017 after two active seasons in 2004 and 2005?
Seems like extreme weather events and how frequently they occur tend to ebb and flow.
Posted on 10/9/24 at 12:08 pm to sidewalkside
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"Extreme weather events" (I know this is a loaded term) are happening more frequently
The 1780 Atlantic hurricane season was extraordinarily destructive and was the deadliest Atlantic hurricane season in recorded history with over 25,000 deaths. Four different hurricanes, three in October and one in June, caused at least 1,000 deaths each; this event has never been repeated and only in the 1893 and 2005 seasons were there two such hurricanes. The season also held the deadliest Atlantic tropical cyclone of all time.
Additionally, 1780 was a turning point in Caribbean habitation and trade, marking the end of a long period of economic boom that started in the early 1500s and marked the beginning of an economic decline for the region as news of the devastating hurricanes spread.
Eight different storms battered the West Indies including three killer storms in the month of October alone. Tens of thousands were killed across the Caribbean onshore from storm surge, powerful winds and many thousands more killed offshore on sunken ships.
The hurricanes struck the Caribbean in the midst of the American Revolutionary War as British and French navies were vying for control over the region and the hurricanes did considerable damage to both fleets wrecking numerous ships and drowning many.[207]
Posted on 10/9/24 at 12:09 pm to beerJeep
Humanity has absolutely had a noticeable affect on climate change denying this is just simply antiquated thinking or regurgitating people or media outlets that have likely been in the pocket of oil companies.
NASA On Climate Change
NASA On Climate Change
Posted on 10/9/24 at 12:25 pm to dawgfan24348
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that have likely been in the pocket of oil companies.
NA O&G companies have spent billions in the last decade on sustainable carbon neutral programs. And are likely only hope of navigating/innovating our way to a carbon neutral economy.
convenient (due to your programming) that you bring up the big bad oil companies and not Russia, China, India, etc
Posted on 10/9/24 at 12:30 pm to sidewalkside
Dude,
Most people worldwide are not capable of changing their underwear on a consistent basis. What could we possibly do to change the entire global environment given our current technology?
Show the data that somehow today some grift from the past is now happening. It’s impossible because not one single environmental forecast has ever happened.
Observational bias influences how strong the belief is in these delusions of mankind’s grandeur in the scheme of the universe.
Most people worldwide are not capable of changing their underwear on a consistent basis. What could we possibly do to change the entire global environment given our current technology?
Show the data that somehow today some grift from the past is now happening. It’s impossible because not one single environmental forecast has ever happened.
Observational bias influences how strong the belief is in these delusions of mankind’s grandeur in the scheme of the universe.
Posted on 10/9/24 at 12:32 pm to sidewalkside
Of course it is changing.
Blaming man as the sole reason and spending trillions to not move the needle is as asinine as liberals are.
Blaming man as the sole reason and spending trillions to not move the needle is as asinine as liberals are.
Posted on 10/9/24 at 12:32 pm to sidewalkside
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"Extreme weather events" (I know this is a loaded term) are happening more frequently
You sure?
Posted on 10/9/24 at 12:33 pm to sidewalkside
There are a lot of posters on this site with little girl emotions, that come out in full force when this topic comes up.
Temperatures can be measured. Temperatures are rising, and that is a fact.
Seeing this requires looking at trends, not single day records here and there.
Extreme weather events are much harder to quantify. Very hard to say definitively that they are increasing.
Temperatures can be measured. Temperatures are rising, and that is a fact.
Seeing this requires looking at trends, not single day records here and there.
Extreme weather events are much harder to quantify. Very hard to say definitively that they are increasing.
Posted on 10/9/24 at 12:41 pm to sidewalkside
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"Extreme weather events" (I know this is a loaded term) are happening more frequently and there is no doubt about that so let's stop arguing if it's man made or natural
no they haven't, the definition of "extreme weather event" has just gotten broader.
the evidence clearly shows that hurricanes, an actual trackable metric, have gone down, contrary to what the climate alarmists said/thought would happen. so, since they can't tout that and have any credibility, they broadened it to "extreme weather event." wtf an extreme weather event is, who the hell knows.
what's the difference between a heavy rain and a flood? these are all nebulous categories with nebulous definitions, but since actual trackable things like hurricanes and tornadoes aren't behaving in the manner they want them to, they've broadened their scope.
Posted on 10/9/24 at 12:44 pm to sidewalkside
In recorded history and in geological history, the Little Ice Age and ice ages produce a lot of violent storms. Warm eras are known for milder weather.

Posted on 10/9/24 at 12:47 pm to dawgfan24348
Florida has had 125 hurricanes since 1851, including one in 1926 which destroyed Miami and Fort Lauderdale. But experts say the last few Florida hurricanes are your fault.

Posted on 10/9/24 at 12:50 pm to OU Guy
On December 14, 1287, St. Lucia's Flood killed 50,000 people in the Netherlands. Apparently they needed more windmills to prevent bad weather.
Posted on 10/9/24 at 12:51 pm to OU Guy
Posted on 10/9/24 at 12:55 pm to OU Guy
During 1957, five storms originated in the Gulf of Mexico including major hurricane Audrey which made landfall on June 27 and killed more than 400 people. To put that in perspective, the US hasn't been hit by a hurricane during June in almost 40 years.

Posted on 10/9/24 at 12:56 pm to sidewalkside
It's just the Earth trying to rid itself of parasites called humans... can't say that I blame her
Posted on 10/9/24 at 12:59 pm to OU Guy
Climate alarmism can't exist without fake journalists erasing and/or rewriting history.
1911
2003

1911
2003
Posted on 10/9/24 at 1:01 pm to OU Guy
During October 1921 western Florida was devastated by a major hurricane. Was that also a "climate crisis?"

Posted on 10/9/24 at 1:02 pm to sidewalkside
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Extreme weather events" (I know this is a loaded term) are happening more frequently
Can you back this up.
I haven’t noticed this.
Posted on 10/9/24 at 1:04 pm to sidewalkside
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Can we at least agree the climate is changing?
As opposed to some period where it remained the same for millennia, or even just centuries?
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"Extreme weather events" (I know this is a loaded term) are happening more frequently and there is no doubt about that
Since we're in hurricane season and we're watching a 2nd major hurricane hurtling towards the southeastern US, let's test that theory with hurricane landfalls. NOAA data
If there's "no doubt" that "extreme weather events" are "happening more frequently", then taking the first two decades of readings and comparing them to the last two full decades of readings should give a clear expression of that.
The first year we have records for is 1851. From 1851-1859 we had:
16 hurricanes (what we would consider "named" now), no years without hurricanes
Average # of hurricanes per year: 1.7778
Average pressure (mb): 964.75
Average max winds (kt): 88.75
From 1860-1869:
15 hurricanes (what we would consider "named" now), 4 years without hurricanes
Average # of hurricanes per year: 1.5 (2.5 per year if going by only years with hurricanes)
Average pressure (mb): 969.8
Average max winds (kt): 85.3333
From 2000-2009:
19 hurricanes, 4 years without hurricanes
Average # of hurricanes per year: 1.9 (3.1667 per year if going by only years with hurricanes)
Average pressure (mb): 959.7368
Average max winds (kt): 89.7364
From 2010-2019:
13 hurricanes, 3 years without hurricanes
Average # of hurricanes per year: 1.3 (1.857 per year if going by only years with hurricanes)
Average pressure (mb): 957.8462
Average max winds (kt): 85.76923
What we find is that there's only a slight difference. But let's expand that a bit to include the first 24 years and the last 24 years...
1851-1874:
40 hurricanes (what we would consider "named" now), 5 years without hurricanes
Average # of hurricanes per year: 1.6667 (2.1 per year if going by only years with hurricanes)
Average pressure (mb): 968.4
Average max winds (kt): 85.75
2000-2023:
42 hurricanes, 7 years without hurricanes
Average # of hurricanes per year: 1.75 (3.23 per year if going by only years with hurricanes)
Average pressure (mb): 959.5952
Average max winds (kt): 90.8333
Here too we see that the overall differences are only slight. While there were 2 more hurricanes for the more recent period, we also saw more years without hurricanes at all for the same period. Average pressure and max winds were only slightly lower/higher (respectively), but we also have to look at that through the contextual lens of 1840-1880 being the last of the three periods which made up the Little Ice Age (meaning northern hemisphere waters were cooler -reportedly ~5.4 degrees lower than current temps- thus providing less fuel for hurricanes).
Are hurricanes more powerful today? Slightly. Are we getting more hurricanes today? Arguable to slightly (depending on timeframe). To bottom line this, the change over the last 172 years is so small that if someone immortal were around throughout that period, they would not realize it was even happening without such accurate measurements.
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