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re: Civil War Confederate veteran interview
Posted on 6/5/21 at 3:55 pm to tigahbruh
Posted on 6/5/21 at 3:55 pm to tigahbruh
quote:The Declaration of Independence didn't Free the U.S. from Britain, but its acknowledged as an important document. (The Declaration wasn't a really celebrated document until a decade or 2 later.)
At a time when his re-election was in doubt and victory in the war was uncertain, he pushed out the proclamation to free slaves, which in the immediate freed not a single one
The Proclamation permanently freed nearly 100,000 slaves in occupied Union territories & the Hundreds of thousands who eventually fled to Union lines after the EP.
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Posted on 6/5/21 at 4:06 pm to tigerdup07
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keep in mind that this was only a few generations removed from those that left the crown because they didn't like to be told what to do. they sought freedom. their kids' kids' (civil war soldiers) were raised in that same manor. don't tread on me, got dammit. don't tell me what to do.
Not to mention there were a lot of Scots-Irish in the south, some of the most rebellious peoples ever.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 4:39 pm to sugar71
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The Proclamation permanently freed nearly 100,000 slaves in occupied Union territories & the Hundreds of thousands who eventually fled to Union lines after the EP.
Incorrect. It very specifically maintained slavery in all Union held territories. Lincoln did not want to create problems for loyal slave states. Southeast La and Union held SC also maintained slavery, although different things were being done by generals there which led to some emancipation (like Butler did in NO). As a constitutional lawyer, Lincoln understood that he did not have the power to free slaves in Union held territory. Different story for areas in a state of insurrection.
Your second statement about the slaves that fled to Union lines is accurate. Was a major aspect of Lincoln's war strategy.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 5:15 pm to PrimeTime Money
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They were fighting for states rights.
It's because they were. Slavery was one right, but not the only one.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 5:23 pm to Bourre
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That guy probably had a fraction of the formal education that today’s elites but sounds infinitely more intelligent
Yeah, that's wild to hear him talking in the very beginning of the video about how he had no concept of "states" and how he didn't learn his home was in the state of Virginia until he was 9 or 10 years old.
That's hard to wrap my mind around in this day.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 5:34 pm to Man With A Plan
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No, but cherry picking some documents and making the war as only being about the slavery issue is dishonest at best, it is extremely difficult to find any of the real history on the southern side of the Civil War. Look for photos online of the confederate side, all of it has basically been scrubbed completely. Many African Americans fought for the confederacy as well and that has been covered up and hidden.
Did you read the Mississippi's articles of secession? It plainly states slavery is the primary reason.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 5:41 pm to windshieldman
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Your average southerner didn’t have money to feed, buy, and house slaves.
It wasn’t the average southerner that plunged the south into secession and civil war, however. The elites were the ones calling the shots. They all owned slaves. Men like the guy in the OP were simply the pawns.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 6:12 pm to RollTide1987
The guy in the OP was raised on a plantation. He was raised by a slave, after his mom passed. After the war, he went to a private school including Harvard. He was the elite.. and he is a liar..
Posted on 6/5/21 at 6:25 pm to brmark70816
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The guy in the OP was raised on a plantation. He was raised by a slave, after his mom passed. After the war, he went to a private school including Harvard. He was the elite.. and he is a liar..
What did he lie about?
Posted on 6/5/21 at 6:34 pm to windshieldman
He is a con man. Trying to shade an evil past into an admirable retelling, so that he can march in parades and wear fake fancy uniforms.. He is full of shite. Shame he was a teacher and spread those delusions for so long..
Posted on 6/5/21 at 6:38 pm to brmark70816
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He is a con man. Trying to shade an evil past into an admirable retelling, so that he can march in parades and wear fake fancy uniforms.. He is full of shite. Shame he was a teacher and spread those delusions for so long..
You still haven't answered my question about what he lied about. If he pisses you off, that's fine, but what exactly did he lie about? So far you just being emotional. Don't let a dude that lived in the CW era make you emotional.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 6:49 pm to windshieldman
How am I emotional. He is a major leader in the history of the Confederate Vets of America. They sold this massive lie to try and rewrite their history and justify their actions. They built all these dumb statues and tried to give themselves honor for rebelling against our Country. He proudly pranced around, in his fake uniform, with his pretend rank. It is a joke.
As far as his "speech". It is a load of crap. The War was about slavery. Always was.. So, he is lying. He knows better. So he wasn't mislead..
As far as his "speech". It is a load of crap. The War was about slavery. Always was.. So, he is lying. He knows better. So he wasn't mislead..
Posted on 6/5/21 at 6:55 pm to brmark70816
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How am I emotional. He is a major leader in the history of the Confederate Vets of America. They sold this massive lie to try and rewrite their history and justify their actions. They built all these dumb statues and tried to give themselves honor for rebelling against our Country. He proudly pranced around, in his fake uniform, with his pretend rank. It is a joke.
He told his view on how things unfolded, you can try and pretend it's a lie because you dislike him due to him being a confederate soldier. More than likely that's actually how he perceived everything, there was little communication or information back then. I mean, if you hate him because he's a southerner during the civil war times then that's ok. I didn't feel he pranced around anything, but that's OUR interpretation of his speech, to me it was good, and I've stated 2-3 times in this thread slavery was one of the issues of the war.
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As far as his "speech". It is a load of crap
Nah, it was good, very good to listen to. I don't feel he hid or lied about anything, we can agree to disagree, it's irrelevant anyways as far as whether we agree on anything about this.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 6:57 pm to windshieldman
I'm still waiting on proof he lied about something. So far you are just stating your opinions. You don't know what he thought the war was about, go read diaries or journals from CW soldiers from the north and the south, might would open your eyes, vast majority didn't understand at all why they were fighting.
ETA: Vast majority, as in many of the writings they wrote during the war and interviews afterwards, also letters they sent home during war.
ETA: Vast majority, as in many of the writings they wrote during the war and interviews afterwards, also letters they sent home during war.
This post was edited on 6/5/21 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 6/5/21 at 7:07 pm to windshieldman
After I read the OP, I looked the guy up. Have you?
He was raised on a plantation. His family owned slaves. He was raised by house servants. You don't believe that shaded his POV?
He lied cause he knows better. He was a Harvard graduate and taught for over 50 years. He was a history professor. He is also a huge member of the Confederate Vets of America. The organization tried to re-frame the whole war and give themselves this admirable mission. The whole institution are liars. Him being one of the leaders makes him one as well..
He was raised on a plantation. His family owned slaves. He was raised by house servants. You don't believe that shaded his POV?
He lied cause he knows better. He was a Harvard graduate and taught for over 50 years. He was a history professor. He is also a huge member of the Confederate Vets of America. The organization tried to re-frame the whole war and give themselves this admirable mission. The whole institution are liars. Him being one of the leaders makes him one as well..
Posted on 6/5/21 at 7:10 pm to brmark70816
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After I read the OP, I looked the guy up. Have you?
I was already very aware of him prior to this thread.
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He was raised on a plantation. His family owned slaves. He was raised by house servants. You don't believe that shaded his POV?
He always made this well known, this isn't anything he hid from everybody, not sure why this is such a big issue with you. Probably at 16 y/o not so much as far as shading his POV, only he knows, you or I do not however.
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He lied cause he knows better. He was a Harvard graduate and taught for over 50 years.
Already know this, again.
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He is also a huge member of the Confederate Vets of America. The organization tried to re-frame the whole war and give themselves this admirable mission. The whole institution are liars. Him being one of the leaders makes him one as well..
Again, your opinion. Nothing you just stated, is anything different than your other posts. It's all opinion. 
Posted on 6/5/21 at 7:16 pm to red sox fan 13
I like how he says his memory goes back to early 50s
And to remember the GOAT John Brown. That's fricking cool
And to remember the GOAT John Brown. That's fricking cool
This post was edited on 6/5/21 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 6/5/21 at 7:50 pm to tigahbruh
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Incorrect. It very specifically maintained slavery in all Union held territories. Lincoln did not want to create problems for loyal slave states. Southeast La and Union held SC also maintained slavery, although different things were being done by generals there which led to some emancipation (like Butler did in NO). As a constitutional lawyer, Lincoln understood that he did not have the power to free slaves in Union held territory. Different story for areas in a state of insurrection
Emancipation Proclamation did not free a single slave.
Posted on 6/5/21 at 10:58 pm to udtiger
Correct. It did not free a single slave in any legal sense whatsoever. Lincoln was a canny and smart dude. He listened to people like Frederick Douglass. He understood that word travelled between slaves on different plantations through various means (something that many Plantation owners were in denial of).
But yes. It is a correct statement. You can't "free slaves" in a jurisdiction that you have zero political control of.
It was an ingenious move. I applaud it. While I can understand nuance and complexity, I thank God every day that the North won the Civil War.
It's funny how whenever I point out how skillful Lincoln, Grant, and Sherman were, some people get really defensive and angry - not people defending the South but people who need to believe - in a very religious sense- that Grant, and Sherman gave 2 shits about slavery (Lincoln actually did to some extent but he was never at any point an abolitionist and genuinely believed that white and black people could never coexist peacefully).
The Emancipation Proclamation literally, objectively did not free a single slave. It did inspire shite tons of slaves to essentially emancipate themselves. That is both awesome in terms of humanity and ingenious in terms of waging war against a slave based society.
The brainwashing of education at all levels on these issues is scary. The North did not start the war for moral reasons (and it objectively started the war). It is pure religion to believe that Lincoln wanted to end slavery or that Northerners gave the tiniest shite about black lives.
But yes. It is a correct statement. You can't "free slaves" in a jurisdiction that you have zero political control of.
It was an ingenious move. I applaud it. While I can understand nuance and complexity, I thank God every day that the North won the Civil War.
It's funny how whenever I point out how skillful Lincoln, Grant, and Sherman were, some people get really defensive and angry - not people defending the South but people who need to believe - in a very religious sense- that Grant, and Sherman gave 2 shits about slavery (Lincoln actually did to some extent but he was never at any point an abolitionist and genuinely believed that white and black people could never coexist peacefully).
The Emancipation Proclamation literally, objectively did not free a single slave. It did inspire shite tons of slaves to essentially emancipate themselves. That is both awesome in terms of humanity and ingenious in terms of waging war against a slave based society.
The brainwashing of education at all levels on these issues is scary. The North did not start the war for moral reasons (and it objectively started the war). It is pure religion to believe that Lincoln wanted to end slavery or that Northerners gave the tiniest shite about black lives.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 10:21 pm to red sox fan 13
This channel was deleted. Any ideas where I can find the video in the OP?
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