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Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:37 pm to AwgustaDawg
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no one recognizes the unionists in the south who remained loyal to their nation. Monuments everywhere to soldiers but I am not aware of a single one to unionists who suffered and died for their cause as well. STrange that....
Who would out up these monuments? They betrayed their own people by choosing to side with the money and power of people hundreds of miles from the communities they grew up in. They had no honor nor loyalty. If they were at odds with the southern cause, they could have traveled west to avoid the conflict all together.
I shed no tears for the lack of monuments celebrating their betrayal.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:46 pm to Ping Pong
My great great grandfather was in the 1st Louisiana Heavy Artillery at Vicksburg. After he was paroled he joined the 28th Louisiana Infantry. He made it back to St Martin Parish and died in 1929. I visit his grave occasionally.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:46 pm to cwil1
I am just going to jump in here.. But I actually have a few...
This is my G.G. Grandpa Frank... He was with the 10th Arkansas Cavalry CSA. That's his Daughter my G Grandmother.
But my GG Unkle Jessie was with the Union 2nd North Carolina Mounted Infantry. But I don't know much about him or the unit ironically
His Cousin James was taken prisoner by the Confederacy and Murdered. His body was buried in a shallow grave. When his father found out they went and dug his body up and brought him to the family cemetery and buried him there.
There are more. My family history has people on both sides.. Some got killed, some didn't...
But my GGGG Grandpa... Now he was in the Revolutionary War. Fought at Fort Moultrie. In a Ship to Shore Bombardment against the British.
Later he was taken Prisoner and held aboard a British Vessel. He ate a rat to survive.. I heard the rat eating story all my life. HE was released in a prisoner exchange and fought again at another battle of some Court house that I have to look up..
Those were just stories that I heard growing up from my Grandfather... But thanks to the internet years later I was able to find out more... way more.
And then of course his son Richard...
This is my G.G. Grandpa Frank... He was with the 10th Arkansas Cavalry CSA. That's his Daughter my G Grandmother.
But my GG Unkle Jessie was with the Union 2nd North Carolina Mounted Infantry. But I don't know much about him or the unit ironically
His Cousin James was taken prisoner by the Confederacy and Murdered. His body was buried in a shallow grave. When his father found out they went and dug his body up and brought him to the family cemetery and buried him there.
There are more. My family history has people on both sides.. Some got killed, some didn't...
But my GGGG Grandpa... Now he was in the Revolutionary War. Fought at Fort Moultrie. In a Ship to Shore Bombardment against the British.
Later he was taken Prisoner and held aboard a British Vessel. He ate a rat to survive.. I heard the rat eating story all my life. HE was released in a prisoner exchange and fought again at another battle of some Court house that I have to look up..
Those were just stories that I heard growing up from my Grandfather... But thanks to the internet years later I was able to find out more... way more.
And then of course his son Richard...
Posted on 7/10/24 at 11:41 pm to stuckintexas
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Same, we might be cousins He married the daughter of a MS infantryman he served with and was a POW with. My dad has a photograph of the one from MS from the battle, in uniform and holding his rifle. I'm from NW LA, BTW. I think that grandfather from the 27th is buried in either Ashland or Castor.
Nice, man. I’m from NW LA too. My ancestor that was captured is buried somewhere around Richland Parish. Small world.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:25 am to grizzlylongcut
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Small world
Really small sometimes. My family has the POW release papers for both men. Some further inquiry today said the one great grandfather was company E 27th.
The daughter of the MS grandfather that married the LA grandfather was the last surviving Civil War widow in Louisiana, and she collected a pension of around $6/month from the state.
Just a reminder that I, my kids, nieces, and nephews would not be on this planet if not for the battle of Vicksburg. Cool shite to be reminded of by a thread on the OT.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:38 am to WWII Collector
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And then of course his son Richard
In the same family graveyard I mentioned before, we have another great x-however many grandfather from the battle of New Orleans. At the bottom of his tombstone, it says TENNESSEE VOLUNTEER. He was given land in Natchitoches Parish as payment. I have family going back over 200 years in the ground there. My wife knows where I want to be laid down when I'm lowered into the cold, dark earth.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 1:52 am to stuckintexas
My great great….. grandfather on my moms side was shot in the back for desertion from the confederate army
In Mississippi.
In Mississippi.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 2:06 am to rltiger
Posted on 7/11/24 at 2:08 am to Ping Pong
Actually, most southern unionist units were formed in their communities.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 5:40 am to Ping Pong
They betrayed their own people by choosing to side with the money and power of people hundreds of miles from the communities they grew up in.
—Maybe they didn’t agree with slavery?
—Maybe they didn’t agree with slavery?
Posted on 7/11/24 at 6:14 am to Ping Pong
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Who would out up these monuments? They betrayed their own people by choosing to side with the money and power of people hundreds of miles from the communities they grew up in. They had no honor nor loyalty. If they were at odds with the southern cause, they could have traveled west to avoid the conflict all together.
I shed no tears for the lack of monuments celebrating their betrayal.
So abandon their homes because their neighbors had lost their fricking minds?
Posted on 7/11/24 at 6:16 am to cypresstiger
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They betrayed their own people by choosing to side with the money and power of people hundreds of miles from the communities they grew up in.
—Maybe they didn’t agree with slavery?
Maybe they were simply loyal and patriotic Americans and not traitors.
These types of conversations are indicative of where many in the US are as it pertains to being patriots. They love the idea of an America that NEVER existed and despise the reality of EVERY America that ever existed. The USA is the greatest nation ever but it is far from perfect...
Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:13 am to cypresstiger
Some (like in KY) agreed with slavery. Just not secession to keep it around. Let's not act like everyone in blue was against slavery. If KY had known what it did in 1863. It would have seceded ''officially'' with the rest of the upper south.
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 7:18 am
Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:13 am to AwgustaDawg
You'd be saying the same about the patriots, had England won the war.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:23 am to cwil1
This thread piqued my interest so I have done a little research on my paternal grandfather's side. (It's a pretty unique surname compared to my mother's Smith family name). I can't find anything going back to the Civil War but have a bunch of ancestors that volunteered for the War of 1812.
My paternal grandmother told me that she had some great uncles that fought for the confederate, but that the family lived in SC at the start of war and she didn't know much about that part of the family.
I have a feeling I'm about to dive headlong into genealogy of my ancestors so which site would someone recommend to sign up for a subscription to so I can begin this process?
My paternal grandmother told me that she had some great uncles that fought for the confederate, but that the family lived in SC at the start of war and she didn't know much about that part of the family.
I have a feeling I'm about to dive headlong into genealogy of my ancestors so which site would someone recommend to sign up for a subscription to so I can begin this process?
Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:33 am to cwil1
I had a great great great grandfather killed at Vicksburg on the last day of the siege, he was in Co H, 40th Mississippi Infantry.
Another great great great grandfather in Co H , 19th Regiment, Louisiana Infantry. He fought in all of the major battles from Shiloh, Chickamauga, Atlanta, Franklin, Nashville, and all the others in between. Surviving all of those only to be captured in the last battle of Spanish Fort.
Another great great great grandfather in Co H , 19th Regiment, Louisiana Infantry. He fought in all of the major battles from Shiloh, Chickamauga, Atlanta, Franklin, Nashville, and all the others in between. Surviving all of those only to be captured in the last battle of Spanish Fort.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:41 am to NCaddoTigerfan
I have a very interesting letter, handed down, that was written from a relative during the Civil War. It was written in Lynchburg, Virginia to family in Mississippi.
He gives a first hand account of the ugliness of war. He speaks of no respect of private property by soldiers.
His last name was Banks.
He gives clear instructions to his family what to do with his slaves during his time away
He gives a first hand account of the ugliness of war. He speaks of no respect of private property by soldiers.
His last name was Banks.
He gives clear instructions to his family what to do with his slaves during his time away
Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:53 am to cwil1
G grandfather was in Kentucky 3rd Infantry Mounted CSA. After many unit consolidations he was under Forrest. Family tradition is that he was a dispatch rider wounded twice. After the war his two brothers moved to Tarrant Co Tx (Ft Worth) where they had substantial success. He stayed home in West KY but had a pretty unsettled life. I suspect he might have had PTSD.
A G G grandfather too old to be a regular combatant was reported in the press of the time as being hanged for taking part in a Confederate guerilla attack on a bridge guarded by Union soldiers. The same newspaper later printed a retraction saying he had not been hanged because he was innocent. He claimed to be running from the guerilla band and sought safety with the bridge guards during the attack.
In spite of the newspaper accounts, my records search of martial law courts found no mention of him and no mention of an attack at that time and near that place.
A G G grandfather too old to be a regular combatant was reported in the press of the time as being hanged for taking part in a Confederate guerilla attack on a bridge guarded by Union soldiers. The same newspaper later printed a retraction saying he had not been hanged because he was innocent. He claimed to be running from the guerilla band and sought safety with the bridge guards during the attack.
In spite of the newspaper accounts, my records search of martial law courts found no mention of him and no mention of an attack at that time and near that place.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 8:26 am to Tree_Fall
A 3rd Great Grandfather of mine ran a tannery with his brother and my 4th Great Grandfather located between Ville Platte and Bayou Chicot.
When the war broke out, he had to move his family briefly to East Texas, where he continued to make leather goods for the CSA during the war. His younger brother signed up with the 8th Louisiana infantry and went off to the war. Their father stayed behind to keep the family business going locally and to protect the homestead.
My 3rd GGF's life during the war was pretty uneventful. He basically ran an extension of the family business from East Texas and routinely supplied things like saddles, slings and holsters to the CSA.
His younger brother, (my 3rd great Uncle) saw a lot of action in the war. After he joined the war effort, they were sent to Virginia to serve under Brigadier General Richard Taylor.
He fought in a lot of the major battles of the war and was captured during the Second Battle of Fredericksburg during the fall back from Marye's Hill. After his capture he was sent to Fort Delaware as a prisoner before being paroled on May 23rd in an exchange for Union POW's.
After he was freed, he quickly rejoined the CSA in time to fight in the Second Battle of Winchester at the outset of the Gettysburg campaign. On July 2nd his regiment was able to capture some federal canons and positions on East Cemetery Hill. They held that territory for 2 days before Union forces recaptured it on July 4th.
During the fall back to CSA lines, he took shrapnel to his left arm and was captured again. After being looked to by Union doctors in a field camp, he was transferred on July 17th, 1863 to Fort Slocum, New York.
On Sept 16th, 1863 he was brought with other CSA soldiers to Virginia to be exchanged for Union POW prisoners. he remained in Virginia for some time at Episcopal Church Hospital in Williamsburg for further treatment to his arm.
Through some sort of miracle he was able to keep his left arm and it did not have to be amputated. He eventually regained full use of it. His time in the war was over at this point and he went home and then to East Texas to join his brother/my 3GGF. By this time their father had died, so he escorted my 4th GGM to East Texas and he remained there until the end of the war.
Unfortunately for him, fate deemed that he should only have 1 arm and he somehow injured his right arm in late 1864 and it had to be amputated.
He eventually returned home to the family homestead after the war along with my 3rd GGF. They ran the family tannery and farm together for a few years afterwards, until my 3rd Great Uncle received his CSA pension and moved his family to a 85 Acre plot of land he purchased in Westlake.He ended up having a large family with 12 children.
As for my 4th GGF, not much is known about his life during the war other than he and my 4th GGM stayed behind on family farm and tannery. There is some local documentation about how Jay Hawkers harassed him and tried to steal from him at one point. There is also a local story how a young boy in the area saved the life of an abandoned Union Calvary horse and nursed it back to health. My 4th GGF made a new saddle for the horse and that young man used the horse to run dispatch letters for the CSA between enemy lines.
My 4th GGF died sometime in 1863. Don't now of what but, he was 62 at the time. He was the first of my (surname)family to settle in America having emigrated from the Alsace Lorraine region of France in 1828.
When the war broke out, he had to move his family briefly to East Texas, where he continued to make leather goods for the CSA during the war. His younger brother signed up with the 8th Louisiana infantry and went off to the war. Their father stayed behind to keep the family business going locally and to protect the homestead.
My 3rd GGF's life during the war was pretty uneventful. He basically ran an extension of the family business from East Texas and routinely supplied things like saddles, slings and holsters to the CSA.
His younger brother, (my 3rd great Uncle) saw a lot of action in the war. After he joined the war effort, they were sent to Virginia to serve under Brigadier General Richard Taylor.
He fought in a lot of the major battles of the war and was captured during the Second Battle of Fredericksburg during the fall back from Marye's Hill. After his capture he was sent to Fort Delaware as a prisoner before being paroled on May 23rd in an exchange for Union POW's.
After he was freed, he quickly rejoined the CSA in time to fight in the Second Battle of Winchester at the outset of the Gettysburg campaign. On July 2nd his regiment was able to capture some federal canons and positions on East Cemetery Hill. They held that territory for 2 days before Union forces recaptured it on July 4th.
During the fall back to CSA lines, he took shrapnel to his left arm and was captured again. After being looked to by Union doctors in a field camp, he was transferred on July 17th, 1863 to Fort Slocum, New York.
On Sept 16th, 1863 he was brought with other CSA soldiers to Virginia to be exchanged for Union POW prisoners. he remained in Virginia for some time at Episcopal Church Hospital in Williamsburg for further treatment to his arm.
Through some sort of miracle he was able to keep his left arm and it did not have to be amputated. He eventually regained full use of it. His time in the war was over at this point and he went home and then to East Texas to join his brother/my 3GGF. By this time their father had died, so he escorted my 4th GGM to East Texas and he remained there until the end of the war.
Unfortunately for him, fate deemed that he should only have 1 arm and he somehow injured his right arm in late 1864 and it had to be amputated.
He eventually returned home to the family homestead after the war along with my 3rd GGF. They ran the family tannery and farm together for a few years afterwards, until my 3rd Great Uncle received his CSA pension and moved his family to a 85 Acre plot of land he purchased in Westlake.He ended up having a large family with 12 children.
As for my 4th GGF, not much is known about his life during the war other than he and my 4th GGM stayed behind on family farm and tannery. There is some local documentation about how Jay Hawkers harassed him and tried to steal from him at one point. There is also a local story how a young boy in the area saved the life of an abandoned Union Calvary horse and nursed it back to health. My 4th GGF made a new saddle for the horse and that young man used the horse to run dispatch letters for the CSA between enemy lines.
My 4th GGF died sometime in 1863. Don't now of what but, he was 62 at the time. He was the first of my (surname)family to settle in America having emigrated from the Alsace Lorraine region of France in 1828.
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 9:20 am
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