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re: Cincinnati Police arrest man for not answering questions on sidewalk
Posted on 5/19/26 at 7:08 am to cardswinagain
Posted on 5/19/26 at 7:08 am to cardswinagain
I'm a firm believer that words and context of those words matter. If what the security guard said was accurate, the police blew it.
First asking "how many people work in the bank" in and of itself isn't an indication that a crime is about to be committed. Maybe he was interested in getting a job application. It's suspicious, but it's not criminal.
Second, the guard didn't say he asked where the vault was. He said the guy said, "I can't see the fault from here." Given that the guy is a first amendment auditor and that the Supreme court has stated that "You cannot trespass they eyes" that statement takes on a whole new light. He might just have wanted to get photos of the vault for his "story" but couldn't because he couldn't see it.
Finally, common sense dictates that if someone was truly going "rob the bank" as they suspected he might, they wouldn't be as obvious as this dude was. They would have surveilled the bank in a much more clandestine fashion.
First asking "how many people work in the bank" in and of itself isn't an indication that a crime is about to be committed. Maybe he was interested in getting a job application. It's suspicious, but it's not criminal.
Second, the guard didn't say he asked where the vault was. He said the guy said, "I can't see the fault from here." Given that the guy is a first amendment auditor and that the Supreme court has stated that "You cannot trespass they eyes" that statement takes on a whole new light. He might just have wanted to get photos of the vault for his "story" but couldn't because he couldn't see it.
Finally, common sense dictates that if someone was truly going "rob the bank" as they suspected he might, they wouldn't be as obvious as this dude was. They would have surveilled the bank in a much more clandestine fashion.
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Posted on 5/19/26 at 7:27 am to deltadummy
Posted on 5/19/26 at 7:42 am to Canon951
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Apparently there is a law in Ohio that allows them to arrest you under those circumstances. He got what he wanted. Sadly he will probably get paid alot of money in a lawsuit.
If the law you mentioned actually exists, then this was a lawful arrest. He won't be getting paid anything.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 8:00 am to Lonnie Utah
Funny you mention common sense because you exhibit none.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 8:31 am to deltadummy
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Guess it's a good thing you weren't alive during the Revolution. Otherwise, you'd be laughing with the King's guards.
Lol and it's a good thing TD posters weren't alive during the Revolution so they don't have to back up their internet tough guy personas
Posted on 5/19/26 at 8:54 am to dalefla
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Funny you mention common sense because you exhibit none.
How's that?
Posted on 5/19/26 at 9:05 am to travelgamer
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Cops today are worthless
No they're not. They definitely serve a useful purpose in society.
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they think they are gods.
Unfortunately, far too many of them do not have the right demeanor or disposition to do their jobs well.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 9:19 am to Canon951
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I'm siding with the cops on this one. Dude was purposely acting suspicious. Asking questions that would lead someone to believe he was planning a bank robbery, then refused to identify himself or answer any questions to the police. Apparently there is a law in Ohio that allows them to arrest you under those circumstances. He got what he wanted. Sadly he will probably get paid alot of money in a lawsuit.
Acting suspicious isn't illegal. In order for the police to conduct an arrest, they must show reasonable anticable suspicion that a crime has been or IS ABOUT TO be committed. Even if the young man WAS about to rob the bank, the cops on scene can't come to that conclusion, based on the statements he made in 40 seconds. They can, and did conduct an investigatory detention, but under the 5th amendment, the subject is under no obligation to answer any of the questions. Just because he's standing on the sidewalk and filming, isn't, in itself, enough for them to conclude that he was "about to rob the bank".
Now what they arrested him for was Ohio's version of "failure to ID". But again, in order to compel you to identify yourself the Police must have a "reasonable, articulable suspicion" that you are involved in or have been involved in a criminal offense. That simply wasn't the case in this situation.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 9:21 am to Longhorn Actual
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If RAS exists (it clearly did), THEN the police had a right to ID him and he is required by law to ID himself. His refusal to do so, under those already established facts and circumstances which rose to the level of Reasonable Articulable Suspicion, was a violation of the law...therefore, Probable Cause to arrest was established and he was hooked up.
Did it? In his conversation with the police, the guard himself said that he thought the guy was a first amendment auditor. That changes the nature of the conversation completely.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 9:33 am to Indefatigable
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Not necessarily. There are places where you have to answer and ID yourself, etc.
You can do that without answering. I would just hand them my drivers license.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 9:54 am to cardswinagain
Most First Amendment "auditors" have zero interest in the First Amendment. They are interested in one thing - clicks.
So, they often try to get as close to the line as possible.
So, they often try to get as close to the line as possible.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 10:26 am to Indefatigable
quote:So this took place in China, Russia or the UK?
There are places where you have to answer and ID yourself, etc.
Who knew?
Posted on 5/19/26 at 12:56 pm to DarkDrifter
Is being suspicious a misdemeanor or a felony?
Posted on 5/19/26 at 1:41 pm to BeepBopBoop
quote:Correct...but he wasn't arrested for robbing a bank, so that's not terribly relevant here.
You can’t arrest somebody because you think he may commit a crime. If the cops are suspicious that he may rob the bank then the cops can sit outside and watch the bank and if he robs it, then arrest him.
Until then, just watch him and see what he does. It’s called policing….not arresting.
Here’s your speeding ticket sir. But I wasnt speeding. I know but youre in a fast car and may speed in the future.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 1:43 pm to deltadummy
quote:He wasn't arrested for a thought crime, so how did you arrive at the conclusion based off of this video that he was arrested for a thought crime?
So thought crime is now a thing.
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