re: Chlamydia outbreak hits abstinence-only Texas high school

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You know humans can control themselves and many do. If parents are not going to be involved in their children's lives and set a good example then yes, teens will have pre-marital sex. However, there are many, many teens out there not having sex. The difference is how and if the value of sexual relations is instilled in the children starting at a much younger than teenage age.

Abstinence does work but to be effective it has to be more than adults standing around saying "don't do that" - the adults have to exhibit the value of intimacy in a way that is consistent with what they want to children to view it as.

If as a dad I am telling my children to abstain but then I am commenting on women in a sexual way, objectifying women, talking about sex in crass and casual ways my kids are not going to be on board.

No different than if I try to tell my kids to drive safely but myself drive like a bat out of hell with them in the car. My actions must match my expectations of my children...

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Spot on.

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So how do you account for the significant STD rates in a place like Sweden?

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Swedes are beautiful people. If I lived there I'd frick every woman, man or animal that would let me.

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Abstinence does work but to be effective it has to be more than adults standing around saying "don't do that" - the adults have to exhibit the value of intimacy in a way that is consistent with what they want to children to view it as.

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It's not a bad program to have if you have parental reinforcement. That's the issue though. Anymore, even in good districts, you have parents who want their kids to have other kids for the check or you have parents who would rather be their kid's friend instead of their parent. And sadly the combo of both is starting to offset the parents who are worth a shite.

You can still teach kids good values in terms of having sex while also teaching them about the risks if they do.

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- the adults have to exhibit the value of intimacy

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Best way to get kids to stop fricking, make them watch their parents frick.

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That doesn't even make sense. She has a wedding ring

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That's an engagement ring.


From a guy she never married.

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I hope the fantasy land you live in has crawfish year round.

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Might steal that

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Tell em Jesus doesn't want em to.

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I don't think Jesus ever said he didn't want kids having sex.

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It's not a bad program to have if you have parental reinforcement. That's the issue though. Anymore, even in good districts, you have parents who want their kids to have other kids for the check or you have parents who would rather be their kid's friend instead of their parent. And sadly the combo of both is starting to offset the parents who are worth a shite.

You can still teach kids good values in terms of having sex while also teaching them about the risks if they do.

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I think the problem here is that we've taken something that should be a parent's responsibility and thrown it off on the schools. By doing this, the issue is removed from the home and put into the public where it becomes political.

On the left you have people wanting nothing other than an overtly permissive approach to sex -ed in schools where it's assumed all kids will have sex and should start getting birth control as early as middle school as well as be taught the different methods of having sex. On the right you have people wanting the schools to teach nothing but abstinence. So what you have is one side wanting only one side of the subject covered and the other side wanting only the other side covered.

To solve the issue, (and I know this is just a pipe dream nowadays) sex-ed ideally would not even be taught in schools but rather at home by the parents. But we all know that's never going to happen. Thus the best way to resolve this issue is to have a comprehensive approach to teaching sex-ed in the schools. By this I mean that kids should be taught about the ramifications of sex both physically and emotionally. They should also be taught about the different methods of birth control in an open and honest manner. And by that I mean they need to be taught that none of the birth control methods are 100% effective at preventing STD's or pregnancy. And along with this they need to be taught that abstinence is the only 100% effective way to avoid pregnancy and/or STD's. In other words, take out all the politics, both left and right, give teens all the information and then let them make a fully informed decision knowing that it's them that will have to live with the consequences of those decisions whatever they may be.

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“We do have an abstinence curriculum, and that evidently ain’t working

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Well no shite Sherlock. They ARE teenagers. What a dumb fricking concept