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re: Chicago Teacher’s Union plans strike despite being offered 16% raise
Posted on 10/8/19 at 9:26 am to dfintlyHmmrd
Posted on 10/8/19 at 9:26 am to dfintlyHmmrd
Then base it on teacher performance
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 9:27 am to VolsOut4Harambe
Give me the PE job in the Chicago suburbs + coaching a couple sports for +$100,000/yr. I'll gladly do my 25 & retire.
That's a healthy living in a fun city.
I'd live outside the city for a bigger house, close enough to a train line to downtown &/or the ballparks. With the right plan, you can do very well in Chicago as a teacher.
That's a healthy living in a fun city.
I'd live outside the city for a bigger house, close enough to a train line to downtown &/or the ballparks. With the right plan, you can do very well in Chicago as a teacher.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 9:28 am to yellowfin
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They make a lot more here It’s about 30% more
that's what I would have thought, always heard the requirements and compensation for prison guards were dismally low
Posted on 10/8/19 at 9:29 am to 777Tiger
They are one small step above the prisoners. It’s a really shitty job that nobody wants
Posted on 10/8/19 at 9:31 am to member12
Sometimes it is not about the money (although I think if you pay anyone "enough" they will deal with a lot of extra shite).
Some of the issues that many teachers are getting fedup with are
1) their pay and incentives are affected by circumstances that are out of their control.
2) they are constantly asked to do more and they already don't have time to accomplish what is required within the work day. People like to frick with teachers about it being a part time job, but I don't know many people that would be willing to put in a lot of extra hours to do their job and not get compensated for it.
3) Schools are losing the accountability battle with students/parents and it is ultimately falling on the teacher's shoulders.
I had an administrator once tell me that in the near future, teachers are going to be "expected" to come in on Saturdays without being compensated. If you don't want to come in, it won't mandatory (at least at first), but they will find someone fresh out of college that will be willing to agree to come in over the weekend.
Cue the teacher hate responses, but they are really getting a shite deal in most districts.
Some of the issues that many teachers are getting fedup with are
1) their pay and incentives are affected by circumstances that are out of their control.
2) they are constantly asked to do more and they already don't have time to accomplish what is required within the work day. People like to frick with teachers about it being a part time job, but I don't know many people that would be willing to put in a lot of extra hours to do their job and not get compensated for it.
3) Schools are losing the accountability battle with students/parents and it is ultimately falling on the teacher's shoulders.
I had an administrator once tell me that in the near future, teachers are going to be "expected" to come in on Saturdays without being compensated. If you don't want to come in, it won't mandatory (at least at first), but they will find someone fresh out of college that will be willing to agree to come in over the weekend.
Cue the teacher hate responses, but they are really getting a shite deal in most districts.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 9:35 am to yellowfin
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They are one small step above the prisoners. It’s a really shitty job that nobody wants
heard a guy speak at a conference once, he was a felon, convicted of a non-violent, almost white collar crime but had done time in a pretty rough prison full of violent cons, he made the comment that there were two distinct groups in prison that were both mentally deranged, violent, and psychotic, the more fricked up group of the two were able to go home and sleep in their own beds each night
Posted on 10/8/19 at 9:36 am to member12
Not to mention their retirements that no one can afford.
Keep voting democrat! We are almost there!
Keep voting democrat! We are almost there!
Posted on 10/8/19 at 10:00 am to goofball
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$100K for a job with 2 months vacation.
try 4 months and retire early.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 10:04 am to 777Tiger
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ll we're talking about on here is the 16% raise, for all we know, they were offered a 16% raise in exchange for givebacks in other areas that far exceeded the 16%, i.e. reduction in paid sick time, increased cost in health benefits, or elimination of health benefits, etc., always more to the story
No they were not.
Chicago is one of the most public Union friendly cities in the country. They were offered a fantastic offer but want more as they always do.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 10:04 am to forever lsu30
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Give me the PE job in the Chicago suburbs + coaching a couple sports for +$100,000/yr. I'll gladly do my 25 & retire.
That's a healthy living in a fun city.
I'd live outside the city for a bigger house, close enough to a train line to downtown &/or the ballparks. With the right plan, you can do very well in Chicago as a teacher.
teachers don't need to make a lot of money. They just have their husbands pay check to live off of and live in a nice home.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 10:18 am to Seeker
My heart bleeds for teachers. They, and their unions, sold their souls to the Democratic Party and all the policies that come with it. Then they want to turn around and cry about the lack of discipline and respect for authority along with increasingly violent conditions. You made your bed - sleep in it.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 10:39 am to alajones
quote:Welcome to the real world, pal. Over my 20 year career in technology, I've averaged over 60 hours a week, and very seldom take all of my alotted annual vacation. I'm not paid for those extra hours, and neither is anyone else here that has a salaried position. So no, it doesn't "even out" as you stated.
Plus teachers put in a lot more than 40 hours a week during the school year. So it kind of evens out.
I'm definitely coin-operated, and "in it for the money", and those sacrifices have lead to significant career advancement. That's how things work in the private sector.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 10:39 am to forever lsu30
Teachers unions are one of the hindrances to quality education in this country.
They also are basically funneling money to other progressive policies unrelated to education. frick em.
Mt previous job dealt with a union strike and its unbelievable how stupid the average member was. They ended up settling for less than the State was originally offering.
They also are basically funneling money to other progressive policies unrelated to education. frick em.
Mt previous job dealt with a union strike and its unbelievable how stupid the average member was. They ended up settling for less than the State was originally offering.
This post was edited on 10/8/19 at 10:42 am
Posted on 10/8/19 at 11:11 am to alajones
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teachers pay into that
How much do they pay in relative to what they get out in terms of guaranteed benefits for the rest of their life? And how does that stack up compared to the average person paying into a 401k which has no guaranteed lifetime benefits?
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Plus teachers put in a lot more than 40 hours a week during the school year.
Many jobs and employees are doing this too, year round.
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Either way, a living wage commensurate to a job requiring a four year degree is still a necessity.
$100k is a hell of a lot more than a living wage. And there are a lot of people out there with 4 year degrees making a hell of a lot less than teachers.
If you don't like the professional prospects or pay, don't go into that profession, move somewhere that the pay is better, leverage your degree to do something with more pay (become a school adminstrator), etc. You have options and choices.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 11:17 am to SoFla Tideroller
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My heart bleeds for teachers. They, and their unions, sold their souls to the Democratic Party and all the policies that come with it.
It's a bit funny here in Kentucky. We have been a state that has had democratic governors for at least the last 60 years with only one 4 year Republican in the early 2000's and the current Governor in his first term.
For all those decades the democrats robbed the public pensions, both state employees and teachers to pay for subsidies to their cronies. The current Governor has almost completed funded the pensions, and the liberal teacher union is still railing against him because he's a conservative, even though he's made their pension system significantly better than it had been in decades.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 11:25 am to member12
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Is it in the best interest of the students and parents for teachers to go on strike as directed by Jessie Jackson?
I'd be pissed for sure.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 11:26 am to Chucktown_Badger
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Many jobs and employees are doing this too, year round.
And they get paid overtime, or a lot more than teachers.
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If you don't like the professional prospects or pay, don't go into that profession,
It’s like you didn’t even read my post.
ETA: never mind.
This post was edited on 10/8/19 at 11:35 am
Posted on 10/8/19 at 12:28 pm to BPTiger
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They pay all government employees exorbitantly high salaries. Then when they early retire they all leave and go to a low tax state, where it isn’t balls cold, and spend all of their money there.
I know a man who was a chaplain in the Illinois prison system.
Retired and moved to Texas where most of his kids are.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 12:41 pm to alajones
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And they get paid overtime, or a lot more than teachers
Unless we're talking about a fry cook, another public sector employee, or a blue collar laborer who is punching a clock...very few people get overtime. You put in the time it takes to get the job done, and you make your salary and keep your job.
This post was edited on 10/8/19 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 10/8/19 at 12:46 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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teachers pay into that
They pay in 2% of their pay into a defined benefit system that will pay them 75% of their last couple years average salary plus a 3% raise annually for the rest of their lives.
The return on that 2% contribution (while subject to ZERO market/investment risk) is astronomical
Some rough math:
Someone retiring now at age 60 with 35 years service averaging $102k the last few years and lives to age 85 will collect $2.7 million in pension payments, of which they invested personally ~$50-$57k (pre return estimates)
This post was edited on 10/8/19 at 12:54 pm
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