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re: Chicago policewoman almost beaten to death because she's too afraid to shoot

Posted on 10/17/16 at 10:26 am to
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 10/17/16 at 10:26 am to
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It should be an instinct.

What?

Posted by ctiger69
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Posted on 10/17/16 at 10:28 am to
Is this what kneeling for the national anthem is all about.
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 10/17/16 at 10:30 am to
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I do understand her reluctance to shoot here but it would have been justified.

I get the impression that she was just scared period, not scared to shoot, she was obviously was in a life or death situation and she certainly didn't exhibit the fight option of the fight or flight decision, also, as far as shoot to wound strategy, I've always thought that if it's gotten to the point to where the hardware comes out(in a fight,) that's not an option, just my opinion
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 10/17/16 at 10:32 am to
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I've always thought that if it's gotten to the point to where the hardware comes out(in a fight,) that's not an option, just my opinion



same here, though I have seen some that looked like obvious overkill when the suspect was manageable.

If you draw and fire, shoot to kill.
This post was edited on 10/17/16 at 10:33 am
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 10/17/16 at 10:34 am to
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I've always thought that if it's gotten to the point to where the hardware comes out(in a fight,) that's not an option, just my opinion

Not necessarily. There's a generally accepted "21 ft" rule. If the suspect is acting in a hostile or threatening manner within 21 feet, cops are typically trained to draw their weapon. Drawing their weapon doesn't necessarily mean they're going to shoot.
This post was edited on 10/17/16 at 10:35 am
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 10/17/16 at 10:38 am to
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Drawing their weapon doesn't necessarily mean they're going to shoot.


quote:

(in a fight,)
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 10/17/16 at 10:44 am to
My B, 7
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 10/17/16 at 10:47 am to
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My B, 7



don't make me draw down on you! I'm already just about triggered!
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 10/17/16 at 10:48 am to
Guys! Guys! We're forgetting the bigger picture here! THE BLACK MAN LIVED! That's all that matters! Now, it's sad an officer had to get hurt for that to happen, but this is how we change things! A severely beaten police officer is better than a dead black man!

Besides! We don't know the other half of the story! All I see is a black man who was minding his own business, probably on his way to the local cafe for a nice hot latte! Then these thugs just roll up on him and demand him to get on the ground! WHY?! The man was obviously in fear of his life! He watches the news! He KNOWS police officers are TRAINED to kill black men ON SIGHT! He is #woke, and he wants to live! And he did! He's a SURVIVOR!
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 10/17/16 at 10:49 am to
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don't make me draw down on you! I'm already just about triggered!


#PLM (pimp lives matter)
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 10/17/16 at 10:51 am to
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 10/17/16 at 10:51 am to
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He's a SURVIVOR!

wonder what Kapperdick will say if he sees that video
Posted by Easy
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Posted on 10/17/16 at 11:03 am to
Obviously poorly trained. Yet others with the same training decide life or death.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 10/17/16 at 11:09 am to
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Obviously poorly trained.


How so?
Posted by Easy
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Posted on 10/17/16 at 11:11 am to
Because she didn't know what to do.
Posted by OweO
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Posted on 10/17/16 at 11:12 am to
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What?




Protecting yourself isn't an instinct?
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 10/17/16 at 11:13 am to
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Because she didn't know what to do.



a lot of females get through training where I work but freeze up when you add a little real life pressure/decision making to the mix
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 10/17/16 at 11:14 am to
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Because she didn't know what to do.

Sounds like she did know what to do but was afraid of being crucified for doing what she was trained to do.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 10/17/16 at 11:16 am to
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Because she didn't know what to do.



quote:

"She looked at me and said she thought she was gonna die,” Superintendent Eddie Johnson said a day after the attack. “She knew that she should shoot this guy, but she chose not to because she didn't want her family or the department to go through the scrutiny the next day on national news.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 10/17/16 at 11:16 am to
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Protecting yourself isn't an instinct?

Yes, it is. Sounds like she was also trying to protect herself by not shooting the guy. Depending on the possible traction this story would have received, her life could have been ruined by simply doing her job and doing it within the law.
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