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re: Chicago police shooting video to be released tomorrow
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:04 pm to buckeye_vol
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:04 pm to buckeye_vol
10% is high. That would be 1 in 10. How high does it have to be to be problematic?
This post was edited on 11/23/15 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:05 pm to bisonduck
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Tell me how you avoid PTSD when you deal with trauma? It's developed on the job.
This is honestly the first time I've ever heard of anyone except military guys having it. I know a ton of cops are ex military guys and just assumed they came back from combat with it.
This post was edited on 11/23/15 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:06 pm to Lou Pai
Take guns away from black males aged 15 to 50 and homicides go down to minuscule numbers. The MTV/media generation says “we need to talk about race” but will call anyone a racists who brings out the stats. Look at the BR Morn Advocate every year when it posts the photos of felons, there is only one token white male and the rest are democrats, I mean blacks.
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 8:35 am
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:07 pm to Lou Pai
i agree there definitely was and still is a problem with the excessive force used by cops in a lot of these shooting. I agree with protesting peacefully but guarantee it won't be peaceful. 
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:09 pm to bisonduck
quote:Who said it wasn't problematic. I'm saying that MOST people, even LEOs, don't experience trauma, and of those that do < 10% experience PTSD.
10% is high. That would be 1 in 10. How high does it have to be to be problematic
So you're statement that there is a high probability of PTSD is unfounded.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:09 pm to bisonduck
What cities do your brother and uncle work in?
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:13 pm to chinese58
My Father got shot at more as a cop and not in Panama or Bosnia.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:14 pm to buckeye_vol
I am saying Chicago nights is a high probability.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:16 pm to chinese58
My brother's sole task was taking guns off gang bangers in Portland.
This post was edited on 11/23/15 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:17 pm to PuntBamaPunt
Chicago is about to be unhinged.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:17 pm to bisonduck
quote:Based on what? Sure it's probably higher than other places, but I've seen nothing to suggest it's high.
I am saying Chicago nights is a high probability
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:25 pm to buckeye_vol
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Based on what? Sure it's probably higher than other places, but I've seen nothing to suggest it's high.
What the hell do you think happens when you are a first respond-er in an urban area like Chicago at night? Donuts and coffee for a couple of hours and a couple traffic stops?
It's not like these events are infrequent either. Be the first respond-er to an incident where a guy is slashing tires on PCP. I am taking a leap of judgment here but I am assuming this happened at night and in a high crime area where tire slashings on PCP happen. See how that works out 9/10 times.
This post was edited on 11/23/15 at 11:37 pm
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:35 pm to Farkwad
Damn, take guns away from black males and shite looks great in the USA
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:38 pm to bisonduck
quote:And how does this prove your unfounded statements? Besides you're describing stress and stressors, which are more frequent but categorically different than trauma.
What the hell do you think happens when you are a first respond-er in an urban area like Chicago? Donuts and coffee for a couple of hours and a couple traffic stops?
To put into context, ~ 30% of Vietnam Veterans developed PTSD ever. That means 70% of people dropped into a jungle thousands of miles from home, forced to live in horrible conditions 24 hours a day, while fighting one of the bloodiest wars never developed PTSD.
Even the worst part of Chicago is paradise compared to that. Not to mention the officers have a home to go to every night, and can enjoy leisure activities on a regular basis. Most importantly. the job dangers pale to that of a soldier; in fact, it's not even on the list of the most dangerous jobs.
In other words, your unfounded conjecture doesn't become more valid because you throw in some hyperbole in an attempt to elicit emotion. The probability of PTSD is relatively low.
This post was edited on 11/23/15 at 11:49 pm
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:38 pm to Farkwad
You know that is the real problem here. You take them(guns) away and they steal more. They have access to guns like Isis has access to RPG's. The culture a lot of these youths are around is rap music, drugs,etc. They will get them even it means killing someone to get them.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:52 pm to buckeye_vol
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In other words, your unfounded conjecture doesn't become more valid because you throw in some hyperbole in an attempt to elicit emotion. The probability of PTSD is relatively low.
What are you talking about? I used unfounded conjecture and and emotional elicitation? I think you are reading into what I am saying a little too much.
PTSD encompasses hyper-vigilance and irritability all the way to total dysfunction. I think you read my comment and projected bat shite crazy in lieu of PTSD YOU DOLT.
I've been thrown up against the wall in my house because my Dad thought I was flipping gang banger signs. I can't go near my brother's old neighborhood with him because he believes he is in danger (lived where he worked). Trust me. This isn't conjecture.
This post was edited on 11/23/15 at 11:54 pm
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:57 pm to bisonduck
Feels like a battle between buckeye and a duck has ensued. Let me get out of you two's way

Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:58 pm to bisonduck
quote:What does that have to do with the probability of experiencing PTSD in Chicago?
I've been thrown up against the wall in my house because my Dad thought I was flipping gang banger signs. I can't go near my brother's old neighborhood with him because he believes he is in danger (lived where he worked). Trust me. This isn't conjecture
I'm not denying PTSD whatsoever. I'm disagreeing that there is a HIGH probability of it occuring. The conjecture is related to the fact that you have no evidence to support the statement.
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 12:11 am
Posted on 11/24/15 at 12:32 am to buckeye_vol
Google PTSD and police. I found a lot of stats but give no fricks since you are being argumentative and mincing words. My point is it's not that hard to see how this happens. I am not condoning the cop's action but saying you ask people to respond to incidences where dudes are slashing tires on pcp and over time you might have a haywire response. It's basic fricking psychology. However, the racism card dilutes common sense.
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