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re: Chicago mayor is appealing for calm after releasing video of Adam Toledo shooting
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:49 pm to jeff5891
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:49 pm to jeff5891
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Are you actually thinking this through?
That's a freedom you get to always do.
A cop sometimes doesn't get that much time to react.
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Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:49 pm to jeff5891
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You guys are making a case for a cop to shoot someone just for possessing a firearm. Are you actually thinking this through?
We are making a case for a cop shooting someone involved in some capacity to a crime with a gun, and then said person running when confronted, and then said person turning and facing an officer after running with a firearm in their hand
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:51 pm to jeff5891
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You guys are making a case for a cop to shoot someone just for possessing a firearm. Are you actually thinking this through?
Could you be more disingenuous?
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:56 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Doesn't matter, he's an accomplice and had a gun. frick him, we're better off without him breathing our air.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:57 pm to jeff5891
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You guys are making a case for a cop to shoot someone just for possessing a firearm.
Goddamn people are stupid.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:58 pm to lsupride87
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and then said person turning and facing an officer after running with a firearm in their hand
You seem to keep glossing over the fact that him raising his hands and dropping the gun are both things the cop yelled at him to do.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:59 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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t him raising his hands and dropping the gun
He's got the gun in hand as hes turning. The image is clear. He's trying to hide the fact he has a gun.
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 7:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 4/15/21 at 7:01 pm to RLDSC FAN
The reasonable person standard.
What would a reasonable person have done, considering all the information and training that this cop had at the time.
Until you’ve looked down the business end of a Glock after chasing a perp in the middle of night on some low lite street, you won’t know.
Cops are given the ability to reasonably use force in advance of being shot or battered. You take that away and NO ONE will ever put on a vest, strap up, and head out to serve a community of color.
The brave, toughest cops choose to serve communities of color not because they are racists but because they know they can help the most people there.
Let that sink in for a minute.
What would a reasonable person have done, considering all the information and training that this cop had at the time.
Until you’ve looked down the business end of a Glock after chasing a perp in the middle of night on some low lite street, you won’t know.
Cops are given the ability to reasonably use force in advance of being shot or battered. You take that away and NO ONE will ever put on a vest, strap up, and head out to serve a community of color.
The brave, toughest cops choose to serve communities of color not because they are racists but because they know they can help the most people there.
Let that sink in for a minute.
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 7:02 pm to Chucktown_Badger
quote:You seem to be glossing over the fact he turned and faced an officer in pursuit with a gun in his hand
You seem to keep glossing over the fact that him raising his hands and dropping the gun are both things the cop yelled at him to do.
I suggest if you ever run from a cop after being a party to a gun crime, you drop your gun and raise your hands before turning to the cop
Posted on 4/15/21 at 7:03 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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You seem to keep glossing over the fact that him raising his hands and dropping the gun are both things the cop yelled at him to do.
They can't see him drop the gun though. The gun is hidden, he tosses it, turns, and raises his hidden hand. I think it's a bad shot but I can understand why the cop, in real time, would think differently. In an ideal world the kid would have kept his hand at his side, dropped the gun, then slowly raised his hands. He's 13 though so likely that never crossed his mind. Can you fault the cop for making a split second decision in that instance though?
Posted on 4/15/21 at 7:03 pm to RLDSC FAN
I wonder if the media or Lori lightfoot will call him by his 2 gang names lil homicide and baby Diablo
Posted on 4/15/21 at 7:04 pm to TigerintheNO
Thanks. Updated OP
Posted on 4/15/21 at 7:04 pm to MFn GIMP
He still has the gun as he turns.
He was definitely trying to hide it.
Anyone saying they definitely wouldn't shoot is lying.
He was definitely trying to hide it.
Anyone saying they definitely wouldn't shoot is lying.
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 7:06 pm to jeff5891
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You guys are making a case for a cop to shoot someone just for possessing a firearm. Are you actually thinking this through?
As I said earlier and was downvoted to hell, the only way out of this situation for both parties is the officers to stop pursuit and obtain the suspect at a later date that’s more beneficial to the officers.
Otherwise, officer pursuits of a suspect with a gun are going to result in suspects being shot justly, officers being shot, or suspects being shot unjustly on occasion due to stress. You simply can’t train perfection into people when stress is involved. I don’t understand why this is such a hard concept. It sucks, but that’s life.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 7:08 pm to jeff5891
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You guys are making a case for a cop to shoot someone just for possessing a firearm. Are you actually thinking this through?
Holy shite. Are you? Do you know there’s a difference between “possession” (on one’s person) and being at the ready, ie the gun is in the hand of a fleeing perp? God damn son
Posted on 4/15/21 at 7:09 pm to Proximo
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You guys are making a case for a cop to shoot someone just for possessing a firearm. Are you actually thinking this through?
Holy shite. Are you? Do you know there’s a difference between “possession” (on one’s person) and being at the ready, ie the gun is in the hand of a fleeing perp? God damn son
Yep, that was a legit sub 80 IQ thought.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 7:10 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Well, it appears in this case that the cop told the kid to a) drop the gun
Is this true? I didn’t hear him say drop the gun
Posted on 4/15/21 at 7:10 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Well, it appears in this case that the cop told the kid to a) drop the gun
Is this true? I didn’t hear him say drop the gun
It doesnt matter. Kid still had it while turning toward officer. The kid was trying to hide the handgun.
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