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Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:39 pm to teke184
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When you whole system is based on power coming from X different sources and 2 of X drop off completely, it means you are in overdrive on the remaining sources.
Systems aren’t meant to breach the limits for extended periods of time for various reasons. And the limits of natural gas in Texas were apparently hit after going into overdrive for about 5-7 days to make up for solar and wind shitting the bed.
Solar and wind failing caused the well heads, feed lines and instrumentation to freeze? Link?
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:41 pm to teke184
None of what you typed out is true. The increased demand was accounted for with the rolling blackout plan that never happened due to NG plants having to shut down because they froze up.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:51 pm to rocket31
Let’s say that Texas and the rest of the nation decide tomorrow that nuclear is THE way to correct these problems going forward and every power company decided to build one, you’re looking at 8 to 12 years before any one of them is completed, taking into consideration the permitting, due diligence, procurement, building and commissioning. What will the customers do while they wait a minimum of 8 years before they have a reliable power source?
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:52 pm to teke184
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Systems aren’t meant to breach the limits for extended periods of time for various reasons. And the limits of natural gas in Texas were apparently hit after going into overdrive for about 5-7 days to make up for solar and wind shitting the bed.
IOW, natural gas did what it could to stave off problems until it couldn’t anymore. But part of the problem is that the load shouldered by NG was over its intended amount because several other power sources quit completely several days ago.
You sound like you know a lot about this. How does the current power output from natural gas in Texas compare to the output in, say, July?
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:53 pm to HighlyFavoredTiger
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What will the customers do while they wait a minimum of 8 years before they have a reliable power source?
Continue living as they have? It's not like this is your typical experience lol
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:54 pm to The_Duke
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It’s a cherry picked chart. Motives are pretty clear. Renewables make up less than 20% or so of the market on their best days
22%
And that is a frickton of production to lose overnight.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:55 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Solar and wind failing caused the well heads, feed lines and instrumentation to freeze? Link?
No they didn’t, but the chart is still valid, solar wind are for more prom to disrupting when the weather gets tough, as solar and wind fell off line, NG, coal, and nuc increased to meet demand.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:56 pm to teke184
Actually the NG problems were due to plants being taken offline due to the cold. Frozen equipment , pipes. etc. Not due to excessive demand.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:57 pm to rocket31
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Natural gas is king.
right, but its finite
Depends on how often you eat beans.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 1:00 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Solar and wind failing caused the well heads, feed lines and instrumentation to freeze? Link?
It all failed because of extreme weather. How would it have been prevented?
Posted on 2/17/21 at 1:01 pm to Jon Targaryn
:drumroll:
edit: damn that was one of the best emojis
edit: damn that was one of the best emojis
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 2/17/21 at 1:02 pm to Colonel Flagg
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Why is more natural gas not used when it is so cheap and plentiful?
Progressive religion
Posted on 2/17/21 at 1:03 pm to rocket31
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whats holding back nuclear adoption?
In my experience, mostly the NRC.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 1:04 pm to rocket31
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whats holding back nuclear adoption?
Nuclear?
Posted on 2/17/21 at 1:06 pm to rocket31
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Natural gas is king
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right, but its finite
How long has the earth been naturally producing natural gas? I would bet on it not running out anytime soon.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 1:09 pm to rocket31
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:drumroll:
edit: damn that was one of the best emojis
It's been missing for a while.
Here's an img of it.
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 2/17/21 at 1:12 pm to member12
quote:because wind... and then weather...
Why was renewable such a huge part of the picture on February 7-8 but basically 0 by today?
Posted on 2/17/21 at 1:23 pm to LSU316
quote:Why does anything prior to the a few days before the storm even matter in thsi graph? It's clear that wind played a small role to begin with and then the major issue was breakdown in nat gas supply/power plants due to consistent and widespread freezing weather... everyone that I know in Texas knows this. Not sure why people keep politicizing this.
Then you are dense.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 1:23 pm to rocket31
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whats holding back nuclear adoption?
Public perception
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