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Posted on 6/17/20 at 4:27 pm to whitetiger1234
Guess 100+ others didn't get it either. My bad
Posted on 6/17/20 at 4:32 pm to notiger1997
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guess in some make believe world it might work. In the real world you have a violent fricked in the head person running away. Who's to say he doesn't attack some random person, break into a house to hide?
And how do you picture that arrest going when the cops show up at his house. He would be waiting with a gun and the family could be put in danger.
Well that's assuming he goes back to his loving family and not to the hotel with his whore.
The devils advocate would be...
I don’t particularly worry about him breaking into a house and killing it’s occupants to hide out as a bigger risk than the officer missing his shot and hitting someone driving by. There’s no totally risk free way but similar to not having high speed chases over non violent charges... There may be ways to reduce but not eliminate risk.
And when you get him later you maybe wait for a semi controlled environment where you have the upper hand instead. Instead of the no knock warrant and a shoot out you just catch him on his way out of the house with 3-4 guys.
I’m not saying the idea is perfect and applies to every situation but sometimes we get so wrapped up in immediate justice that we may miss ways to get better outcomes.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 4:34 pm to RLDSC FAN
Posted on 6/17/20 at 4:35 pm to NoSaint
I get you.
I'm interested in more ideas of different non-lethal weapons that the police can possibly start carrying and using for situations with violent, but unarmed scum.
I'm interested in more ideas of different non-lethal weapons that the police can possibly start carrying and using for situations with violent, but unarmed scum.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 4:36 pm to NoSaint
One issue is the guy was drunk out of his mind. He literally had no idea where he was. He kept saying he was in Forest Park, but was in the city of Atlanta, at least 20 miles away.
He had no idea where he was gonna run to, and quite frankly, I'm not so sure I'm comfortable with a drunk and possibly high guy running around the city of Atlanta from the police, not knowing where he's at, and armed with a taser.
He had no idea where he was gonna run to, and quite frankly, I'm not so sure I'm comfortable with a drunk and possibly high guy running around the city of Atlanta from the police, not knowing where he's at, and armed with a taser.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 4:39 pm to High C
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We’ll let you make this decision in the seconds after a previously compliant suspect goes nuts, fights you and your partner, gets away with your taser, runs from you, and fires the taser at you while he’s running.
If you had collected up all his info and knew if he runs you are only casually pursuing in the moment - would probably take a lot of the very difficult and potentially deadly choices off the table.
He’d never punch the officer, there’s no fight for weapons. The officer is more likely to make it home safe every shift. In a lot of ways it protects the officer instead of putting them in bad spots like you described.
You have to rework how we treat evading arrest to make sure it’s disincentivized enough. And it doesn’t work for all crimes or situations... but how many of these are relatively petty offenses where -especially if the dudes identified himself fully - there’s only so much risk in not pursuing
Posted on 6/17/20 at 4:39 pm to QJenk
GBI tweeted out they have not finished their investigation and had no notice about Howard's presser
Posted on 6/17/20 at 4:40 pm to Pettifogger
This is going to get messy when GBI recommends no charges.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 4:41 pm to Pettifogger
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GBI tweeted out they have not finished their investigation and had no notice about Howard's presser
DA is definitely pandering to the mob.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 4:41 pm to NoSaint
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If you had collected up all his info and knew if he runs you are only casually pursuing in the moment - would probably take a lot of the very difficult and potentially deadly choices off the table.
So is that supposed to become the normal operating procedure for all crimes now?
Posted on 6/17/20 at 4:45 pm to QJenk
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One issue is the guy was drunk out of his mind. He literally had no idea where he was. He kept saying he was in Forest Park, but was in the city of Atlanta, at least 20 miles away.
He had no idea where he was gonna run to, and quite frankly, I'm not so sure I'm comfortable with a drunk and possibly high guy running around the city of Atlanta from the police, not knowing where he's at, and armed with a taser.
If you stop before the fight even really escalated to that issue he’s just a drunk idiot avoiding police. Surely plenty of those out there. He’d never even get the taser. Odds are he ducks away a few blocks down and calls someone for a ride.
It’s definitely not perfect and with his past he may not be the example to use this on.... but was a thinking out loud on how to rethink it in a less traditional manner. It’s not that far off how high speed chases have been reworked to only be when non pursuit is high risk to the public.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 4:45 pm to NoSaint
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You have to rework how we treat evading arrest to make sure it’s disincentivized enough. And it doesn’t work for all crimes or situations... but how many of these are relatively petty offenses where -especially if the dudes identified himself fully - there’s only so much risk in not pursuing
You have to start with immunity for the police department for civil suits if the perp commits other crimes proximate to the release. APD would be sued into oblivion if they let him go and he gets back into a car while still intoxicated and kills someone.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 4:48 pm to NoSaint
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If you stop before the fight even really escalated to that issue he’s just a drunk idiot avoiding police
I can't wrap my head around what point you are trying to make. The police were called. The guy is drunk and had been driving. The scum had been calm all along so the logical next step is read him is rights and arrest him.
Are you saying they cops should just show up and look at him a bit and then just say go on your way. We will catch up with you later.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 4:51 pm to Pettifogger
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GBI tweeted out they have not finished their investigation and had no notice about Howard's presser
Wow
Posted on 6/17/20 at 4:52 pm to Tortious
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You have to start with immunity for the police department for civil suits if the perp commits other crimes proximate to the release. APD would be sued into oblivion if they let him go and he gets back into a car while still intoxicated and kills someone.
It’s not like these departments aren’t getting sued into oblivion for shootings (not to mention this officer having charges that include the death penalty, AND riots across the country).
But yea. If the dude takes off and there’s a non pursuit policy I’d assume there’s some coverage. I don’t recall seeing major lawsuits from disengaging from a vehicular pursuit.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 4:53 pm to RLDSC FAN
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GBI tweeted out they have not finished their investigation and had no notice about Howard's presser
Holy hell!
Posted on 6/17/20 at 4:54 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Brosnan has agreed to be a state's witness, Howard said.
WTF is he gonna say? "He did his job".
Posted on 6/17/20 at 4:55 pm to IAmNERD
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WTF is he gonna say?
Unfortunately, Probably whatever the prosecutor tells him to say so he can keep his job, pension and stay out of jail..
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