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re: Cell phone in Gruver hazing case unlocked by FBI
Posted on 4/6/19 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/6/19 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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then they'll charge you with obstruction of justice, even if no investigation has started
Tough to charge me when you can't find the phone and I "lost it".
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Posted on 4/6/19 at 10:45 am to PrivatePublic
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because I know there is no way in hell the FBI cracked the phone's encryption.
You might be wrong. Is it out of the realm of possibility that someone at FBI CIA NSA DIA are the ones writing the encryption software and have a way into it? Kind of like the Chinese building chips in computers that allow them access to it?
And the NSA supposedly has everything on everyone, so it that were the case there is no reason to open the phone. They could just look at your records.
You are better off assuming that any technology can be hacked\cracked\broken into.
Posted on 4/6/19 at 10:59 am to jbgleason
quote:Duh.quote:
“Everyone needs to know that no matter what Apple or Samsung or anyone says, the Government can get into your phone,” John McLindon, who represents Naquin, said in an email response to a request for comment.
I’ve always acted with ZERO presumption that my voice or data information could not be used against me.
This post was edited on 4/6/19 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 4/6/19 at 11:04 am to RealityTiger
So if he texted his mom saying "I really screwed up" is that an admission if guilt?
Posted on 4/6/19 at 11:20 am to Isabelle81
quote:please Isabelle, do us a favor and don't vote. Way to dumb it down.
Too bad. Don’t get involved in another’s death and you won’t have to worry about your personal information.
Posted on 4/6/19 at 11:38 am to jbgleason
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A cellphone seized from a former LSU student accused in the 2017 hazing death of fraternity pledge Max Gruver has finally been unlocked after months of unsuccessful attempts, East Baton Rouge Parish District Attorney Hillar Moore III said Friday.
Speaking of, did they ever release the toxicology report on Gruver?
Posted on 4/6/19 at 11:39 am to Ice Cold
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Next you’re gonna tell me they can search my computer, my car, and my home if they get a warrant!
Except they don't need a warrant to search your car, only probable cause which can be as simple as "we thought we smelled pot". Unlike the common myth, your car is not a extension of your home, and many of the laws applicable to your house do not apply to your car.
Posted on 4/6/19 at 11:40 am to PrivatePublic
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Then enlighten me, because the article doesn't say and I seriously doubt the FBI cracked the phone's encryption.
There is a small handful of companies who specialize in this. It’s an override they use which essentially bypasses the “10 attempts” security feature and allows a brute force attack to be possible. I don’t k ow what his password was but if it was only 4 or 5 numericals then it wouldn’t take very long.
There are also hardware bypasses which is probably what was used here since the data downloaded was raw and needed to be converted with a special program to be read.
Posted on 4/6/19 at 11:42 am to brass2mouth
Apple encryption and security is probably pretty good, but pales in comparison to what is out there.
If it can be built it can be hacked.
If it can be built it can be hacked.
Posted on 4/6/19 at 11:44 am to PetroBabich
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A big blow to the privacy rights of people who haze other people then leave them to die of alcohol poisoning
I doubt it was the alcohol. They said he had marijuana in his system
Posted on 4/6/19 at 12:01 pm to fightin tigers
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Apple encryption and security is probably pretty good, but pales in comparison to what is out there.
If it can be built it can be hacked.
Definitely. I think people are lost as to what is really out there and while Apple security is sufficient to keep Sarah or Jamal from getting into your phone when you lose it at the bar, there are security firms whose entire purpose is to find ways around it for law enforcement/anti terror / etc security.
The FBI case several years ago was for Apple to build a security loophole especially for law enforcement, which the FBI lost (and I agree with). As many people that kept up with it know, the FBI then had used a private firm and paid them a handsome sum for them to break into the phone, which they did. Now the FBI has the capability and I’m sure they do this for smaller agencies on a case by case basis.
Posted on 4/6/19 at 12:07 pm to OweO
quote:
Israelian
This post was edited on 4/6/19 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 4/6/19 at 12:32 pm to brass2mouth
Cell phone carriers also have a log of every text you send, so the cops just have to give them a warrant to obtain that info
Posted on 4/6/19 at 12:42 pm to jbgleason
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An assistant district attorney in Moore's office who is not involved in criminal cases will act as a "clean team" to make sure no communications between Naquin and any attorney are examined, he said.
Riggghhhht.
Posted on 4/6/19 at 12:57 pm to Hammertime
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Cell phone carriers also have a log of every text you send, so the cops just have to give them a warrant to obtain that info
along with the ability to track where the phone was over the course of time using which cell towers the phones pinged off of for reference... the police can basically make a road map of where you were at any given point with your cell phone
and yes they can also get warrants for cell phone companies to provide your records to them... it just takes much longer so they'd just rather you unlock your phone for them
This post was edited on 4/6/19 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 4/6/19 at 1:06 pm to jbgleason
Anybody can unlock anybody's phone with access to their finger print data
This post was edited on 4/6/19 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 4/6/19 at 1:23 pm to Hammertime
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Cell phone carriers also have a log of every text you send, so the cops just have to give them a warrant to obtain that info
IMessage is data based, not text. That’s why when it fails as iMessage it says “sent as text message” otherwise it just shows as x number of bytes sent/received.
Posted on 4/6/19 at 1:39 pm to Hammertime
quote:That's why I use whatsapp exclusively.
Cell phone carriers also have a log of every text you send, so the cops just have to give them a warrant to obtain that info
Posted on 4/6/19 at 1:50 pm to rt3
Most people leave their GPS on all of the time. I hate that shite
Posted on 4/6/19 at 10:41 pm to EA6B
That depends. A valid traffic stop can be a predicate to a warrantless search, and it’s true that things might be plainly visible.
The police can’t show up at your house and demand you open your truck of interior compartment without a warrant.
The police can’t show up at your house and demand you open your truck of interior compartment without a warrant.
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