re: CDC knew COVID vax associated with myocarditis but left off post-vax surveys

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Are you suggesting that if a symptom is reported under VAERS, it also cannot be reported in the V-safe system?

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You could report both, if you so desired.

But the design of the app was for self reported "check-ins", not medically diagnosed symptoms.

That is the intent of VAERS. You can also self report in VAERS, which is a shame IMO, as it decreases the validity of the data.

I'm dead in VAERS.

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The reaction to the MRNA vaccine undisputedly killed a young man in Ponchatoula, I wouldn't dismiss a guy with a bunch of adverse effects as troll.

I've seen some really bizarre adverse effects.

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It's more that he's been to a host of doctors and all of them say nothing is wrong with him. It's exactly what I mentioned in my earlier post comparing "long COVID" anxiety to "vaccine effects" anxiety.

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Salmon

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So if V-safe can't be used because the honor system doesn't work, and VAERS isn't reliable for this same reason, then how do we know of the "efficacy of the vaccines" that is reported by the CDC? How do we know that the "vaccines work"?

The CDC, even now, is telling everyone to get their 12th booser or whatever number they are on now, because you will be "less likely to get covid or have adverse effects". We just saw the head of the CDC, 5 times jabbed, come down with Covid for the 2nd or 3rd time. You see where i'm going here?

Which goes to the broader point, the CDC really can't be trusted because they have a pretty clear agenda.

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So if V-safe can't be used because the honor system doesn't work, and VAERS isn't reliable for this same thing. Then how do we know the "efficacy of the vaccines" that is reported by the CDC? How do we know that the "vaccines work"?

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Well we can conduct actual studies that are monitored by medical professionals. Also meta analyses helps in this regard.

Self reported data has always been considered the lowest form of data. Always. Not just in the medical field. You won't ever find me using self reported data to prove any point.

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Which goes to the broader point, the CDC really can't be trusted because they have a pretty clear agenda.

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I don't really care about the CDC. I'll look at the data and decide for myself.

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Which medical professionals? There are MANY "medical professionals" that got Covid completely wrong and never issued a retraction or apology. Medical professionals, just like everyone else, are human. They are subjected to the same bullheadedness about being wrong and admitting fault as everyone else. They are also guilty of partisan politics, as we've seen recently.

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This is a very bad way of explaining away results you don't like, and lends itself to choosing only "facts" that you like, just like you accuse the medical professionals of doing.

"Well they might be wrong" isn't based in any kind of fact or evidence. Same goes with "well they're just hiding the bad stuff."

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Which medical professionals? There are MANY "medical professionals" that got Covid completely wrong and never issued a retraction or apology. Medical professionals, just like everyone else, are human. They are subjected to the same bullheadedness about being wrong and admitting fault as everyone else. They are also guilty of partisan politics, as we've seen recently.

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this is where meta analyses comes in

but you are right, at the end of the day, humans are conducting the studies and humans are biased creatures

as are you, and me, and everyone else

which wraps up my point that self reporting studies are trash

Muh words

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I'll be honest. It's hard to take any "news" article seriously that calls the COVID vaccine, "the jab". It's like angsty teenagers are writing this stuff.

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Well I mean...we can't call it a Vaccine because that's not what it is...so what else do you want them to call it?

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So if V-safe can't be used because the honor system doesn't work, and VAERS isn't reliable for this same reason, then how do we know of the "efficacy of the vaccines" that is reported by the CDC? How do we know that the "vaccines work"?

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The principles of vaccine design and development haven't changed. We can definitely question the study design of the efficacy studies though.

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The CDC, even now, is telling everyone to get their 12th booser or whatever number they are on now, because you will be "less likely to get covid or have adverse effects". We just saw the head of the CDC, 5 times jabbed, come down with Covid for the 2nd or 3rd time. You see where i'm going here?

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This is an 'immunologic' observation, and the real answer requires one based in immunology.

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Which goes to the broader point, the CDC really can't be trusted because they have a pretty clear agenda.

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Neither can any of the insane morons who repeated utter nonsense about the vaccine and its effects.

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quote:The data is from the CDC and their V-safe reporting tooAnd that tool is simply an app on smartphones where people can enter anything.

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Did the CDC sanction this or not? Seems like there is conveniently no good way to track whether any of this is real or BS.