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re: Caver trapped forever - The Nutty Putty Tragedy
Posted on 1/29/24 at 8:13 am to cardswinagain
Posted on 1/29/24 at 8:13 am to cardswinagain
Haven’t watched but don’t want to watch, thinking of being under ground gives me a restless sense of anxiety. My dad grew up in a mining town in Kentucky and would tell us stories about working long distances underground in passage ways just large enough for the men to lay on a flat car and go into and out of the mines and they did that every day, it was their life’s work, back then they didn’t have some of the gas detectors and equipment that is used now and men would sometimes pass out or asphyxiate or get injured or trapped hundreds of yards down into the mine.
Seeing some of the old pictures and reading some of the old newspaper headlines he’d kept from the early 1940’s and cave ins and explosions and men trapped underground put a fear of mines and caves into me as a child.
Seeing some of the old pictures and reading some of the old newspaper headlines he’d kept from the early 1940’s and cave ins and explosions and men trapped underground put a fear of mines and caves into me as a child.
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Posted on 1/29/24 at 8:18 am to Havoc
Thank you.
I've made it on this Earth for a good while now, and am perfectly fine with whenever the Good Lord calls me home.
But I don't want to die in a confined space like a cave or a well. I also don't want to fall from a great height, be tortured, die in prison, get hit by a vehicle, killed by a terrorist or mentally ill person or anything like that.
I just want to lie down one night and not wake up. This sounds horrific.
I've made it on this Earth for a good while now, and am perfectly fine with whenever the Good Lord calls me home.
But I don't want to die in a confined space like a cave or a well. I also don't want to fall from a great height, be tortured, die in prison, get hit by a vehicle, killed by a terrorist or mentally ill person or anything like that.
I just want to lie down one night and not wake up. This sounds horrific.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 8:22 am to 0x15E
quote:concrete?
They cemented
Posted on 1/29/24 at 8:24 am to cardswinagain
I don’t see the allure of crawling through a hole.
I’d walk through a cave with a guide or something. But having to exhale to squeeze between rocks is not a good idea.
I’d walk through a cave with a guide or something. But having to exhale to squeeze between rocks is not a good idea.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 8:29 am to WhiskeyThrottle
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I absolutely don't see the draw to squeezing your body through the tiniest of tunnels like that.
I think most people do it for a sense of adventure and exploration. I assume there is also a "no human has ever been here" sort of vibe to some of it (or at least that's the goal).
But that shite ain't for me.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:02 am to BCBAMA
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they’re better and far more safer ways to get a rush.
Even heroin is probably a safer alternative than this.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:07 am to Locoguan0
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This isn't a tragedy. A tragedy is something that could have been prevented. This is someone taking an unnecessary risk and getting called on it.
To be fair, he thought he was in a well-known part of the cave. He wasn't trying to be a daredevil explorer, he just got lost.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:09 am to cardswinagain
There is a movie about it "The Last Descent". It's a bit low budget but is horrifying to think about how that guy died.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:12 am to cardswinagain
Yeah i went down this rabbit hole a few weeks back when it was posted.
"NOPE"
"NOPE"
Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:16 am to cardswinagain
I'll never understand the thrill of trying to squeeze my body into tiny cracks between rocks. I'm all for going to see the natural wonder of a cave...that I can walk in, turn around, and walk out of. But this shite doesn't even remotely seem fun.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:21 am to cardswinagain
Yeah, no. I'm more of a Carlsbad Caverns kind of guy. The idea of being caught and killed by the planet has no appeal.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:36 am to cardswinagain
My strong claustrophobia says hell to the naw. I don't see how anyone can do that. My brother locked me in the trunk of a car when we were little. I can out with blood on my hands hitting the inside of the trunk. I can't stand to be held down on my back either. I'll go crazy.
The captured video in that doc freaks me the hell out. I would even be thinking about the ground shifting and closing off the passages..
HELL NO!!!!!!!!
The captured video in that doc freaks me the hell out. I would even be thinking about the ground shifting and closing off the passages..
HELL NO!!!!!!!!
This post was edited on 1/29/24 at 9:38 am
Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:40 am to Master of Sinanju
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To be fair, he thought he was in a well-known part of the cave. He wasn't trying to be a daredevil explorer, he just got lost.
Not being contrarian, but that might be one of the biggest mistakes an "experienced" caver could make. That's seems like a gun expert messing around with an "unloaded" gun.
When they showed the size of the kid that got stuck, and then this guy's size... not good.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:47 am to cardswinagain
I pass by that site fairly often., but did not know for a long time. It’s on land of a rather normal looking farm/ranch, but out front is a small sign saying Nutty Putty cave is closed.
I have hiked, squeezed through very narrow slot canyons (like Spooky and Peekaboo) in Southern Utah, where you could not even have your backpack on. However, you are upright and mostly daylight in the narrow slice of sky above. . Thinking about being in there and an earthquake hitting is kinda freaky. That was 7-8 years ago.
In the way of all cool things being ruined, now the access (which used to be a washboard rocky road you measured your mileage till you got to certain point, pull off the road and hike in ) now has a paved parking lot and a chute like a "does your carryon fit here" people sized apparatus If you can’t squeeze through it, you don’t go in because you will get stuck.
Yet another of those "I’m glad I went before instagram gotta get a selfie hoes ruined it". Lots of places overpopularized that are no longer any fun. Of course, they never were fun for the claustrophobic, but I am like a cat about small spaces, I loved it. My brother and I were out there an entire day, and probably didn’t see 8 people. I bet you see 80 or more every single day now. Maybe many more!
I have hiked, squeezed through very narrow slot canyons (like Spooky and Peekaboo) in Southern Utah, where you could not even have your backpack on. However, you are upright and mostly daylight in the narrow slice of sky above. . Thinking about being in there and an earthquake hitting is kinda freaky. That was 7-8 years ago.
In the way of all cool things being ruined, now the access (which used to be a washboard rocky road you measured your mileage till you got to certain point, pull off the road and hike in ) now has a paved parking lot and a chute like a "does your carryon fit here" people sized apparatus If you can’t squeeze through it, you don’t go in because you will get stuck.
Yet another of those "I’m glad I went before instagram gotta get a selfie hoes ruined it". Lots of places overpopularized that are no longer any fun. Of course, they never were fun for the claustrophobic, but I am like a cat about small spaces, I loved it. My brother and I were out there an entire day, and probably didn’t see 8 people. I bet you see 80 or more every single day now. Maybe many more!
Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:47 am to cardswinagain
Dude had a family, and decided to go do something as dangerous as this after Thanksgiving dinner. It honestly kind of pisses me off. There are a lot of things I don’t do anymore because other people depend on me. It’s selfish to put your need for a “thrill” above those things.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:55 am to cardswinagain
This is one of those play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Unfortunately for his family, he thought this was a good idea.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:57 am to cardswinagain
From what I recall, he was a med student at UVA but was visiting his family in UT for Thanksgiving.
There was a party of 8 or 9 that went spelunking on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving.
He thought he was in a tunnel known as "the birth canal" that while tight opened up and allowed one to turn around and go back out. He wasn’t. He took a wrong turn.
The cave had one way in and one way out. He was trapped about 400' from the entrance.
The tunnel he tried to squeeze through was about the size of a microwave door. 27-hourz later a coroner pronouncec him dead.
It is a really difficult thing to imagine what it was like for him. I type with reverence thinking about it.
But I don't fault him for exploring. It's what we do. Whether the ocean depths, outer space, or earth's mysteries.
There was a party of 8 or 9 that went spelunking on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving.
He thought he was in a tunnel known as "the birth canal" that while tight opened up and allowed one to turn around and go back out. He wasn’t. He took a wrong turn.
The cave had one way in and one way out. He was trapped about 400' from the entrance.
The tunnel he tried to squeeze through was about the size of a microwave door. 27-hourz later a coroner pronouncec him dead.
It is a really difficult thing to imagine what it was like for him. I type with reverence thinking about it.
But I don't fault him for exploring. It's what we do. Whether the ocean depths, outer space, or earth's mysteries.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 10:25 am to AlwysATgr
They were going to have to break his legs to pull him out, due to the angle he was at. He died before they got to that point. Can you freaking imagine?
Posted on 1/29/24 at 10:42 am to i am dan
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Not being contrarian, but that might be one of the biggest mistakes an "experienced" caver could make. That's seems like a gun expert messing around with an "unloaded" gun.
When they showed the size of the kid that got stuck, and then this guy's size... not good.
I know it doesn't work this way but perhaps a warning of some sort saying "don't go this way there's no way back" wouldn't have been a terrible thing.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 10:53 am to concrete_tiger
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They were going to have to break his legs to pull him out, due to the angle he was at. He died before they got to that point. Can you freaking imagine?
IIRC from one of the videos in the November thread, the worst part was that his dad went down to see him try to help, and ultimately had to back himself out and let others try. I can't imagine being a dad and my son is stuck in something like that and you can see him (sort of) and communicate with him, but also be utterly helpless to help him. That has to be an absolutely awful and heartbreaking feeling as a parent.
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