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re: California Pizza Huts lay off all delivery drivers ahead of minimum wage increase

Posted on 12/27/23 at 11:31 am to
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
53489 posts
Posted on 12/27/23 at 11:31 am to
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Seems like raising the minimum wage just results in a big vicious cycle. Minimum wage increases create a ripple effect in the job market. CNAs look at fast food workers and ask why they have some specialized training and certs and make as much as them. When CNAs get a bump, nurses look at CNAs and ask why they make similar with more schooling and training. Et cetera. Et cetera. There will always be pay rungs in the working world, and low-skill jobs will occupy the lowest rung. So the net result is that everyone winds up making more, employers' costs rise, and we're back at square one with low-skill workers not "making a livable wage."


Stop speaking truths!
Posted by weadjust
Member since Aug 2012
15631 posts
Posted on 12/27/23 at 11:32 am to
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"Back in my day you got your lazy butt off the couch and took your family out to eat at a Pizza Hut"


The 2 Pizza Huts in my town no longer offer dine in and are take out and delivery only
Posted by Pikes Peak Tiger
Colorado Springs
Member since Jun 2023
9213 posts
Posted on 12/27/23 at 11:33 am to
No one could have predicted this.

NO ONE!!!!
Posted by Pikes Peak Tiger
Colorado Springs
Member since Jun 2023
9213 posts
Posted on 12/27/23 at 11:36 am to
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So once they tack on doordash cost, will a pizza hut pizza in California cost $50


So what? They are getting what they voted for. They should be happy
Posted by Asharad
Tiamat
Member since Dec 2010
6278 posts
Posted on 12/27/23 at 11:39 am to
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Uhhhhh, you may want to google "how to calculate percentage increase" and come back to your post.
please tell us more about your alternative to math
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
100006 posts
Posted on 12/27/23 at 11:41 am to
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If the Pizza Hut CEO can get paid 16 million dollars, then surely it can’t be that difficult to pay workers $20/hour. Corporations aren’t people and don’t think that way. The sooner you realize that the sooner you’ll realize how business works.


He also doesn’t realize how franchising works. The minimum wage hike hurts the bottom line of the person who owns the franchise not the Pizza Hut corporate office which is owned by Yum! Brands

The franchises pay fees to use the Pizza Hut brand and follow certain guidelines and expectations set by Pizza Hut corporation. The franchises are not financed by Pizza Hut corporation, they’re financed by the owner of the franchise. The Pizza Hut corporation is not hurt at all by minimum wage hikes unless the hikes cause franchises to close down
Posted by tadman
Member since Jun 2020
5151 posts
Posted on 12/27/23 at 11:43 am to
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If the Pizza Hut CEO can get paid 16 million dollars, then surely it can’t be that difficult to pay workers $20/hour.



Yep good thinking we can divvy up that money and pay them all a higher wage.

$16m/year is a $43,000/day pot to split up.

Then you have 18,000 locations so that's $2.43 per location to bump their driver pay.

Each location probably has 2-3 drivers working 4-6 hours per night.

CONGRATULATIONS Each driver now gets thirty cents more per hour!!!! Way to stick it to the man!!!

What you really need to do is add $5 to the cost of each pizza to make a difference, of course then people like me will just go down to Rouse's and buy a Digiorno for $7 instead of Pizza Hut for $30+
This post was edited on 12/27/23 at 11:45 am
Posted by thermal9221
Youngsville
Member since Feb 2005
14583 posts
Posted on 12/27/23 at 11:45 am to
Sorry
Bad joke.
Was funny in my stupid head.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
35739 posts
Posted on 12/27/23 at 11:50 am to
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This is sarcasm, right?


Yes.
Posted by RummelTiger
Texas
Member since Aug 2004
92675 posts
Posted on 12/27/23 at 11:52 am to
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Yes.


Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
35739 posts
Posted on 12/27/23 at 11:53 am to
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please tell us more about your alternative to math


I'm the idiot here, for some reason I was thinking it was a $5 increase and not $4.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
100006 posts
Posted on 12/27/23 at 11:59 am to
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Do the math. Go on, do it. Lets see your work. For once in your life, back it up.


I’ll do it. Average Pizza Hut franchise costs 950k to start up.
On average they profit 92,000 a year
On average one franchise has a manager (salary) and 4 hourly employees (2 cooks, waitress, driver).

Most are open 10:30am to 11 pm. But you have prep and then cleaning after close. Let’s say 16 hours a day total, 7 days a week. 448 total work hours a week by 4 hourly employees. Assume all make MW at 16 dollars in California.

An increase of 93,000 dollars a year in labor costs. The owner just went from making an ok living to losing money. Cut out the driver position (16 hours a day, 7 days a week. 112 hours at 16 dollars an hour prior to MW hike). Saves 93,000 dollars a year not paying for that full time position
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
53489 posts
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:00 pm to
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What you really need to do is add $5 to the cost of each pizza to make a difference, of course then people like me will just go down to Rouse's and buy a Digiorno for $7 instead of Pizza Hut for $30+


I had the Rouse's brand frozen pizza once this month and that will become my go-to. They are high quality!
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40160 posts
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:07 pm to
In Louisiana, where minimum wage is significantly less, the delivery charges for pizza delivery have basically turned me into a carryout-only customer.

I can get to any of the pizza chains within 10 minutes one way, often less. Combine that with the carryout specials, and I wonder how many people are actually still using delivery.

Maybe in dense urban areas, where it can take a while to get to your car in the parking garage / parking lot and out of it, delivery is more practical and worth the added fee.

I'll be curious to see how this impacts their sales. Will sales go down? Will third party apps fill in the gaps?
Posted by BHTiger
Charleston
Member since Dec 2017
8347 posts
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:08 pm to
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They voted for it.

They got it.


They are also okay with 1,000,000,000 illegals "walking" and crossing the border unchecked.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40160 posts
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:08 pm to
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If the Pizza Hut CEO can get paid 16 million dollars, then surely it can’t be that difficult to pay workers $20/hour.


A company is only going to pay rank and file employees the lowest it can to get the job done.

This is the part of basic economics that so many liberals just don't want to accept.

Is it "right"? I don't know... but it is accurate.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40160 posts
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:10 pm to
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I guess you missed the part these were franchise Pizza Huts. Welp!


To be fair to our board liberal, if one company is laying off 841 drivers, and let's assume a location has 20 drivers (it may be less, I don't know), then that's 42 locations.

That's not exactly a small mom and pop.

Most fast food franchisees these days are larger corporate entities themselves.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
13173 posts
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:13 pm to
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Pizza Hut is laying off more than 1,200 delivery drivers in California.

The layoffs, which will take place through the end of February, come as California's minimum wage is about to go up by $4. Fast-food workers in the state are set to get a pay bump of close to 30% in April as the minimum wages rises from $16 to $20 an hour.

PacPizza, LLC, operating as Pizza Hut, said in a Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN) Act notice that the company made a business decision to eliminate first-party delivery services and, as a result, the elimination of all delivery driver positions, according to Business Insider. The notice was filed with the state's Employment Development Department.

The Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act requires employers to give notice of mass layoffs or plant closures.

Southern California Pizza Co., a second Pizza Hut franchise, is also eliminating its in-house delivery services and laying off 841 drivers, according to a WARN Act notice from Dec 1.

The layoffs impact drivers at Pizza Hut locations in Sacramento, Palm Springs, Los Angeles and other cities throughout the state.


LINK


The problem with these stories are folks are basing their happiness at the thought of "market forces" playing out as expected when what has actually happened is that an employer, who relied on taxpayers at the state and local level to subsidize the production costs of their employees, has shifted those expenses onto other low wage employers. If Pizza Hut delivering pizzas was a viable business model that was self sufficient, in other words if the people doing the work were ineligible for any sort of taxpayer subsidy in order to do the work, there would be no increase in wages at Pizza Hut because Pizza Hut would already be paying that wage. At $20 an hour in Los Angeles a single wage earner with no dependents is 10% below the HUD Very Low Income Level for 2023. That means that individual is eligible for subsidized housing at taxpayer expense in Los Angeles County. At $16 an hour they were a little over 20% under that level. This year. Those numbers will be worse next year. That means that every pizza driver delivering Pizza Hut pizzas is eligible for you and I to help pay for their housing expenses....meanwhile Pizza Hunt made nearly $6 Billion in profit in 2022....because they, like all low wage employers, are not expected to pay the entirety of their production costs out of their revenue but instead rely on everybody else to pay a portion of those costs whether they buy a pizza or not. But we are all fine with that subsidy...just don't do anything that would place the burden on the business because that is un-american....
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40160 posts
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:14 pm to
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If you fired the CEO, took all his compensation and split it among all Pizza Hut employees, they might get an extra 30-40 cents an hour, until they stopped operations shortly afterward


If the loss of a CEO causes a multi-billion dollar company to cease oeprations, it would likely end up being a fraud that would make Enron seem like play time.

Class warfar is ugly, but it doesn't make you a whiny liberal to observe that most CEOs are overpaid and the real work is done by the people below the CEO... who would still be around if the company fired the CEO.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
55401 posts
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:15 pm to
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He’s not smart enough to understand that concept. You might as well be talking to a wall.



Literally the PERFECT Democrat voter.

In California, more people unemployed is a huge victory. More people for Daddy Government to take care of, thus more votes for Democrats.
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