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re: California passes "Right to Die"/Assisted Suicide Bill - Do you support?
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:20 am to GetCocky11
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:20 am to GetCocky11
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No, no they can't. This law doesn't even come close to suggesting that something like what you are saying would happen.
I think it is a few laws away though. I believe these two concepts are closer together than people think.
1. A person with no chance to regain health who is suffering has the right to choose to end their life.
2. A person with no chance to regain health who is suffering is wasting money (tax dollars) to stay alive. Therefore, we should comfortably end their life.
But perhaps in this case, the government's incredible ability to waste money will be a good thing.
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Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:25 am to SwaggerCopter
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I think it is a few laws away though. I believe these two concepts are closer together than people think.
1. A person with no chance to regain health who is suffering has the right to choose to end their life.
2. A person with no chance to regain health who is suffering is wasting money (tax dollars) to stay alive. Therefore, we should comfortably end their life.
But perhaps in this case, the government's incredible ability to waste money will be a good thing.
That wouldn't happen, and you know it.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:28 am to GetCocky11
There is a documentary about this on Netflix, it follows a few people who live in Oregon and have some sort of terminal illness. The female with liver cancer was very difficult to watch, I forget the name of it but after watching it I can't imagine anybody being against it if they watch this.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:29 am to GetCocky11
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That wouldn't happen, and you know it.
When abortion laws were passed, there were tons of things people didn't believe would happen. The arguments for abortion at the time of Rowe vs. Wade are irrelevant for many cases of abortion today.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:37 am to SwaggerCopter
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When abortion laws were passed, there were tons of things people didn't believe would happen. The arguments for abortion at the time of Rowe vs. Wade are irrelevant for many cases of abortion today.
I don't see government panels ordering women to have abortions.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:40 am to LSUZombie
quote:He's sooooo zany, but know this, he always has a plan and everything he does is for a reason and stuff!!!!!
Oh that wacky God. Giving people terminal diseases and expecting them to die slow, agonizing death
This post was edited on 9/14/15 at 9:48 am
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:47 am to GetCocky11
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I don't see government panels ordering women to have abortions.
Not in this country yet. That's correct. But abortions are done for way different reasons now than they were intended. It's turned into back-up birth control for the rich and lazy as well. That was not the intention. My point here is that we should be careful when we pass laws because they are difficult to overturn. And in society, a passed law seems to change the moral compass every time.
I do believe that there are some situations where assisted suicide seems like a very tempting option today. But I also believe if this law passes in all 50 states, we will have problems, some of which we can't even foresee. There will be way more assisted suicides than you are expecting. Selfish children will be trying to convince old, dying parents that ending it is the right decision.
Yes. I am not stating facts. These are guesses, and we won't know for several years if I was right. But I really think I will be, and I hate that.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:50 am to runningTiger
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people should never have the legal right to end the life of a human being
their own or another
I agree. Anyone who is caught committing suicide should be executed for murder.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:50 am to SwaggerCopter
quote:People who don't believe that someone with a terminal disease should have the right to end their own life have a fricked up moral compass IMO.
And in society, a passed law seems to change the moral compass every time.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:52 am to Melvin
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People who don't believe that someone with a terminal disease should have the right to end their own life have a fricked up moral compass IMO.
Did you know that people with "terminal illnesses" have survived? Did you know that the vast majority of the time, it is not near the struggle people want to make you believe to keep the person comfortable? This argument actually reminds me of abortion. People arguing for euthanasia often bring up the 1% cases.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:54 am to SwaggerCopter
So what? If someone decides that their fight to live isn't worth it anymore, who are you to tell them what to do?
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:56 am to SwaggerCopter
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Did you know that people with "terminal illnesses" have survived?
That doesn't matter.
I don't think people realize how heavily regulated this process is.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 10:02 am to SwaggerCopter
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Did you know that people with "terminal illnesses" have survived? Did you know that the vast majority of the time, it is not near the struggle people want to make you believe to keep the person comfortable?
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Yeah they get doped up with morphine, which I have problem with bc it's a dangerous narcotic. The terminally ill are coddled in this country and now we're expected to bend laws and violate our personal morals to appease them.
Only about 1% of people will ever have to worry about dying. We can't change laws just for such a tiny minority.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 10:02 am to SwaggerCopter
quote:As long as the person knows and understands everything involved, this part is irrelevant.
Did you know that people with "terminal illnesses" have survived?
quote:Wait, can't I play the other side? To make us comfortable, can't I say it's actually worse than what we think?
Did you know that the vast majority of the time, it is not near the struggle people want to make you believe to keep the person comfortable?
Posted on 9/14/15 at 10:04 am to biglego
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The terminally ill are coddled in this country
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and now we're expected to bend laws and violate our personal morals to appease them.
Only about 1% of people will ever have to worry about dying. We can't change laws just for such a tiny minority.
Oh wait, is he being serious?
Posted on 9/14/15 at 10:09 am to Red Drum
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It should be allowed but require checks to ensure sound minds of people wanting to do it. Manipulative family try to take advantage of the elderly for monetary gain all the time and this would be no different.
The person is dying anyway. It's only for terminally ill patients. So the manipulative person may get it a few months or so early and the person experiences less pain. Not much is lost.
Doctors in other states assist in people dying every day. Most people just don't realize it. They don't let people just suffer incredibly, they will pain medicate them to death quicker.
This post was edited on 9/14/15 at 10:12 am
Posted on 9/14/15 at 10:11 am to runningTiger
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people should never have the legal right to end the life of a human being
their own or another
You are a walking example of why suicide should be legal
Posted on 9/14/15 at 10:11 am to Melvin
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So what? If someone decides that their fight to live isn't worth it anymore, who are you to tell them what to do?
This argument could be used for regular suicide.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 10:12 am to GetCocky11
i did not have any say so coming into this world, and i don't want any say so in leaving this world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 9/14/15 at 10:13 am to SwaggerCopter
quote:I'm guessing most, if not all, people committing regular suicide aren't doing so with a sound mind.
This argument could be used for regular suicide
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