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re: Cali man has $29k siezed in Chicago airport without charges

Posted on 8/14/18 at 2:18 am to
Posted by Stamps74
Member since Nov 2017
713 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 2:18 am to
It’s disgusting seeing Americans say a person can be robbed of their money, without committing a crime. ????????????
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 2:38 am to
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’s disgusting seeing Americans say a person can be robbed of their money, without committing a crime. ????????????


Being anti CAF is akin to being anti tax to Americans nowadays. The government has done it's job well.
Posted by skinny domino
sebr
Member since Feb 2007
14377 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 3:45 am to
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CAF is BS but if you are going to carry over 10k you might want to have proof of where that cash came from.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111707 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:02 am to
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You will have to forgive me if I think someone exercising his legal rights is a good thing, not something to be scared of.
You guys are both basically right.

It's the dude's right, he was doing nothing illegal. But at the same time, if $29k is that important to you, and you know the messed up CAF law, is it really a good idea to walk around with $25k? If this guy often carries lots of cash around I'd think he'd be well aware of CAF and the cops' ability to just snatch your money for no real reason.


It's legal for me to take my 2 young kids anywhere I want to any public place or street in America, but it wouldn't be the smartest decision for me to take my 2 young kids right into the heart of the gang fights in Chicago at 2am, would it?


It's basically the same thing, except it's the cops robbing you of your money and doing so legally by law.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111707 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:02 am to
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I agree on legality. Its not out of the realm of intelligence to avoid a bad situation, as well, though.

I could drive through all through the Fifth Ward in Houston at 1 AM, but I don't.


shite!!!!
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111707 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:06 am to
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I had $15k cash on me when I went to buy my current truck. It is a pretty cut and dry way to buy vehicles.

Why not a check? That doesn't seem wise not even factoring in this OP topic of CAF.

quote:

Eta: I also had $20k on me after selling my last truck. The guy's bank gave me a check, and I cashed it right there

Why?
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
30148 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:06 am to
The difference is we dont expect LEO's to resort to being a common, trashy thief, but that's what they've become with CAF.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
432286 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:09 am to
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Why not a check?

i have started buying goods on FB marketplace and those people won't even accept a certified check
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111707 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:15 am to
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i have started buying goods on FB marketplace and those people won't even accept a certified check

To each his own.

And again, i'm not even talking about CAF, if the only way for me to buy something that cost, say, $20k is for me to show up with $20k in cash, I'm probably going to pass on that for many reasons.

Just because something is legal does not make it a smart decision to go through with.
This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 9:16 am
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
10474 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:03 am to
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It's the dude's right, he was doing nothing illegal. But at the same time, if $29k is that important to you, and you know the messed up CAF law, is it really a good idea to walk around with $25k? If this guy often carries lots of cash around I'd think he'd be well aware of CAF and the cops' ability to just snatch your money for no real reason.

That kind of sounds like circular logic though.

Gov’t steals money from people without needing to file any criminal charges. Some well-publicized instances lead to outrage. Therefore, it’s the next guy’s fault because he should have known better?

No! It’s the government’s fault for stealing money in the first place!

ETA:
quote:

It's legal for me to take my 2 young kids anywhere I want to any public place or street in America, but it wouldn't be the smartest decision for me to take my 2 young kids right into the heart of the gang fights in Chicago at 2am, would it?

The difference between these scenarios is that our elected officials haven’t legalized the gang fights. If the electorate holds the government accountable, we can actually do something about CAF.
This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 10:07 am
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111707 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:42 am to
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Gov’t steals money from people without needing to file any criminal charges. Some well-publicized instances lead to outrage. Therefore, it’s the next guy’s fault because he should have known better?
Never said it was his fault.

quote:

The difference between these scenarios is that our elected officials haven’t legalized the gang fights
Sure but there's still something to the fact that as of now they can legally take your money with no trial, so I think the comparison is fair because it is solely pointing out that just because you're following the law or doing something legal doesn't mean it's the smartest decision you can make. Yes, you should be able to make that decision with no worries or consequences, but unfortunately, you can't.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111707 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:43 am to
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this is literally a slap in the face of our founding document.
quote:

this is literally a slap in the face of our founding document.
Our founding document had a face?
Posted by Old Money
Member since Sep 2012
37506 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:44 am to
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if you are going to carry over 10k you might want to have proof of where that cash came from.


Absolutely no.
This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 10:45 am
Posted by Big_Slim
Mogadishu
Member since Apr 2016
3978 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:57 am to
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I'm fundamentally states rights, small Government,indivual. Freedom first no matter what and that's why I support asset forfeiture. Not good reason in this age to carry that much cash on one's person.


Subtlety is key man. Bait's way too shiny.
Posted by The Goat
Right here, Chief
Member since Nov 2006
2863 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:05 am to
I’ve had a $50K on my person to Mobile. No issues.
I’ve had $135K on my person to LA. No issues

Both times I flew. Both times the bag was scanned

I flew out of a smaller airport. Maybe that’s the difference.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111707 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:11 am to
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I’ve had a $50K on my person to Mobile. No issues.
I’ve had $135K on my person to LA. No issues

Both times I flew. Both times the bag was scanned

I flew out of a smaller airport. Maybe that’s the difference.
Not even counting for CAF, this just doesn't seem like a smart decision. Unless of course it was drug money.
Posted by stat19
Member since Feb 2011
29350 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:17 am to
shite like this only serves to exemplify how corrupt our government can be.
Posted by The Goat
Right here, Chief
Member since Nov 2006
2863 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:28 am to
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Unless of course, it was drug money


It wasn’t drug money. But at the same time, it wasn’t my money either. Was just doing some courier work for a friend. If they had seized, only thing I would have lost was courier fee
Posted by BamaAlum02
Huntsville, AL
Member since Nov 2005
1030 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 1:40 pm to
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Why not a check?


I've seen this several times and I can only assume those posting it have never made a large purchase in cash before. There is a power in using a stack of cash to buy something and it is a good negotiating tool.

Maybe the car he was buying was priced at $35k. Show up and say I brought $29k in cash and let them see it and you have great negotiating power. I have a finite amount of money with me (I can make my check for a larger amount or wire more money) and they can visually see the bills and not a piece of paper.

Dave Ramsey talks about this in some of his books. I have done it and it works, although it has been smaller amounts. In DR's books, he actually talks about going to buy an investment house and putting cash that is 25% lower than asking in a briefcase (I think it was in Financial Peace Revisited where I read it). Would love to get to that point someday.
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
Member since Sep 2012
28567 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 1:42 pm to
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Jeff Sessions


Is a clueless redneck, who should of been fired Months ago.

Instead of actually going after criminals, he's worried about the 80 year old Pot grower, growing medical mary j for war vets with PTS
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