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re: Buffalo to Milwaukee, “hold my beer” updated, 10 dead, suspect in custody

Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:31 pm to
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
129297 posts
Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:31 pm to
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Why does it work elsewhere then?


Why does what work? Be specific. You want guns banned?
Posted by Zipfer2022
Member since Nov 2011
3755 posts
Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:31 pm to
Anywhere to see the twitch stream? Watching these gives a different perspective.
Posted by Bonkers119
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2015
11659 posts
Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:33 pm to
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He killed 2 white people. What a heckin white supremacist


You forgot about the 8 black people he murdered
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
73174 posts
Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:35 pm to
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This isn’t a “hm what if?” exercise. It’s a “let’s do what another country has done” exercise.


quite simple really, we don’t want to.

if that wasn’t true, there wouldn’t be millions and millions of legal gun owners. and growing every year, across every culture and background in this country. get over it.
Posted by RogerTempleton
Austin
Member since Nov 2014
3295 posts
Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:35 pm to
False equivalence. It’s not about the founding fathers’ intent. They didn’t intend for black people to be free and women to vote.

It’s about doing what makes sense in the current climate through the democratic process. It happened for women and minorities, why not guns?
Posted by RogerTempleton
Austin
Member since Nov 2014
3295 posts
Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:37 pm to
There are over a million gun owners in Canada and that number is growing.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
73174 posts
Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:38 pm to
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You forgot about the 8 black people he murdered


how quickly we forget about Darrell Edward Brooks Jr. I mean the BLM activist, I mean the SUV who drove through a Christmas Day parade in white Waukesha, Wisconsin.
Posted by RogerTempleton
Austin
Member since Nov 2014
3295 posts
Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:41 pm to
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we don’t want to


How about we at least better enforce our current background checks then? It’s underfunded and has so many gaps.

Under federal law, a check that turns out inconclusive can be extended for three business days for further investigation. But these three days are a maximum for the government — and sometimes, the three days lapse without the FBI completing its check, and a buyer can, at that point, purchase a gun without the completed check. Does that make any sense to you?
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
49830 posts
Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:44 pm to
No real offense meant here, but several of the founding fathers were my ancestors and from their papers and private writings it’s very clear that they didn’t want 90% of people on the rant to be able to vote or have a voice in politics, as they feared the ignorance of the masses almost as much as tyranny of the King.

They wanted the right to vote to be reserved for male landowners, mostly in urban areas (with preference for well read and educated). They never intended rednecks or anything less than upper middle class to have any say whatsoever in anything, because they viewed them as too stupid to have a vote.

If you want to get literal about founding fathers you are going to be giving up most all of the rights you have.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44226 posts
Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:46 pm to
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How about we at least better enforce our current background checks then?


How about we compromise and get rid of them completely? I think that's a fair compromise for the 1934 NFA.

Unless of course your idea of compromise only goes one way...
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
73174 posts
Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:46 pm to
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How about we at least better enforce our current background checks then? It’s underfunded and has so many gaps.




do you think the perps behind the 2 dozen gun related murders this weekend in Chicago went through a background check ?
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44226 posts
Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:50 pm to
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No real offense meant here, but several of the founding fathers were my ancestors and from their papers and private writings it’s very clear that they didn’t want 90% of people on the rant to be able to vote or have a voice in politics, as they feared the ignorance of the masses almost as much as tyranny of the King.


This is disingenuous. They feared tyranny of the majority. Hence us being a Republic, and not a Democracy. I've read every existing correspondence between the founding fathers from prior to the Revolution until the Ratification of the Constitution (and then some) as part of my Master's Thesis. This includes their influences from Locke, Rousseau, Smith, etc.

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They never intended rednecks or anything less than upper middle class to have any say whatsoever in anything, because they viewed them as too stupid to have a vote.


This is simply not true. See above.
This post was edited on 5/14/22 at 7:53 pm
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35095 posts
Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:51 pm to
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I'm guessing a lot of people in this thread suspect the shooting is some kind of fake/false flag operation?

I for one don’t think it’s a false flag per se, but I do believe he was probably targeted on 4chan as a person who could be manipulated and egged into doing such a thing. As in a very intentional and premeditated effort to end up with this result. And I also think it’s fair discussion to ponder whether it could be a civilian evildoer who just wanted to see if they could make it happen -or- potentially even a government actor with any number of motives.
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 2:40 am
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
49830 posts
Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:52 pm to
They said he was using a rifle but i find that very unlikely, terrible choice for this type of situation, what did he really have? Shotgun or AR type weapon
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83112 posts
Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:53 pm to
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If it’s a white kid killing black people at a supermarket while live-streaming it on twitch, with a racist manifesto…….please don’t be that


Seriously, goddammit.
Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
16871 posts
Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:57 pm to
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It’s about doing what makes sense in the current climate through the democratic process. It happened for women and minorities, why not guns?





By your logic we should ban black men from driving SUV's because one individual killed a few people at a Christmas parade. Stop trying to use an isolated, and very tragic, incident to advance your gun control agenda, it's not right and you know it
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44226 posts
Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:58 pm to
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what did he really have? Shotgun or AR type weapon


Or he could have used the weapon used in the overwhelming majority of mass murders in this country.....a stolen handgun.

But that would raise uncomfortable questions in other places.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
175789 posts
Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:58 pm to
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Some of the shite you see on 4chan/8chan is absolutely fricking insane.. and its all echo chambers.

Great site for amateur nudes tho
Posted by Rize
Spring Texas
Member since Sep 2011
18695 posts
Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:59 pm to
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They said he was using a rifle but i find that very unlikely, terrible choice for this type of situation, what did he really have? Shotgun or AR type weapon



If that manifesto is real then he had a savage axis which is a bolt action rifle.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71635 posts
Posted on 5/14/22 at 8:03 pm to
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Under federal law, a check that turns out inconclusive can be extended for three business days for further investigation. But these three days are a maximum for the government — and sometimes, the three days lapse without the FBI completing its check, and a buyer can, at that point, purchase a gun without the completed check. Does that make any sense to you?

I refer you back to my comment about the useless F B I. The Colorado shooter was known to them. They practically allowed him to do what he did. Already, with this one, it is being said that he was known to them, as well.

Make the F B I do the damn job they are already required and paid to do. Oversee that they are doing it. Redirect their efforts if they are failing. Have them actually STOP these threats instead of chasing political boogeymen for whichever political team has control.
This post was edited on 5/14/22 at 8:04 pm
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