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Brutal corporate culture getting in the way of TSMC hiring 4500 people in AZ plant

Posted on 6/3/23 at 3:53 pm
Posted by euphemus
Member since Mar 2014
536 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 3:53 pm
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On the Glassdoor profile of Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company, or TSMC—the world’s biggest manufacturer of semiconductor chips—current and former U.S. employees swap messages about grueling working conditions. “People… slept in the office for a month straight,” an engineer wrote in August. “Twelve-hour days are standard, weekend shifts are common. I cannot stress… how brutal the work-life balance is here.” “TSMC is about obedience [and is] not ready for America,” another engineer wrote in January.

TSMC’s U.S. operations have earned a 27% approval rating on Glassdoor from 91 reviews—meaning that less than a third of its reviewers would encourage others to work there. Intel, one of TSMC’s main rivals, has an 85% approval rating, albeit from tens of thousands more reviews.

Complaints like these are common on Glassdoor, where anonymity gives workers cover to dish on past and current employers. But the gripes from TSMC workers point to a bigger problem: The Taiwanese chip giant’s tough culture is grating on U.S. employees and job candidates, complicating TSMC’s efforts to hire enough employees to staff its two new Arizona foundries. Those foundries, in turn, are a cornerstone of the U.S.’s $52 billion CHIPS Act aimed at re-shoring the crucial semiconductor industry.

TSMC plans to spend $40 billion to build two semiconductor foundries that will churn out the world’s leading-edge chips by 2024 and 2026. President Joe Biden deemed TSMC’s investment—one of the largest ever in the U.S. by a foreign company—a “game changer” that will shift critical chip supply chains back to the U.S. amid Washington’s high-stakes, high-tech chips arms race with China.

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Posted by 225Tyga
Member since Oct 2013
15779 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 3:54 pm to
Big boy contractors been eaten at TSMC
Posted by supadave3
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2005
30234 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 3:56 pm to
How bad could it be? I’ll fill out an application and report back in a couple of months.
Posted by MrWalkingMan
31st Parallel North
Member since Aug 2010
6304 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 3:56 pm to
Doesn’t matter how many chips they produce, the bags will still only be half full
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 3:56 pm to
1. Those Asian companies are complete assholes to all their employees
2. There's probably a compressed time line given the fact that China is going to move on Taiwan in the near future
Posted by Horsemeat
Truckin' somewhere in the US
Member since Dec 2014
13510 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 3:57 pm to
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"People… slept in the office for a month straight,” an engineer wrote in August. “Twelve-hour days are standard, weekend shifts are common. I cannot stress… how brutal the work-life balance is here.”
Sounds like life as a cross country trucker. 70 hour work weeks, sleep where you work, never get home, etc. Welcome to the world of unregulated labor!
Posted by jatilen
Member since May 2020
13608 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 4:03 pm to
TSMC also has very stiff competition in the area including Intel which has six chip plants in the Phoenix suburbs.

From a September 25, 2021 Reuters article:
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Sept 24 (Reuters) - Intel Corp (INTC.O) on Friday broke ground on two new factories in Arizona as part of its turnaround plan to become a major manufacturer of chips for outside customers.

The $20 billion plants - dubbed Fab 52 and Fab 62 - will bring the total number of Intel factories at its campus in Chandler, Arizona, to six. They will house Intel's most advanced chipmaking technology and play a central role in the Santa Clara, California-based company's effort to regain its lead in making the smallest, fastest chips by 2025, after having fallen behind rival Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co Ltd (2330.TW).

The new Arizona plants will also be the first Intel has built from the ground up with space reserved for outside customers. Intel has long made its own chips, but its turnaround plan calls for taking on work for outsiders such as Qualcomm Inc (QCOM.O) Amazon.com's (AMZN.O) cloud unit, as well as deepening its manufacturing relationship with the U.S. military.

"We want to have more resilience to the supply chain," Intel Chief Executive Pat Gelsinger, who earlier in the week attended a White House meeting on the global chip shortage, told Reuters in an interview. "As the only company on U.S. soil that can do the most advanced lithography processes in the world, we are going to step up in a big way."

Gelsinger said it was too early to say how much of the new plants' capacity would be reserved for outside customers. He said the plants would produce "thousands" of wafers per week.

Wafers are the silicon discs on which chips are made, and each can hold hundreds or even thousands of chips.

Intel rival TSMC has also purchased land to build its first U.S. campus in Phoenix, not far from Intel's location, where TSMC plans up to six chip factories, Reuters previously reported.

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This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 4:08 pm
Posted by supadave3
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2005
30234 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 4:09 pm to
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TSMC also has very stiff competition in the area including Intel which has six chip plants in the Phoenix suburbs.


I’ve heard that chip manufacturing requires a very large amount of water. Why are these companies choosing Arizona?
Posted by jatilen
Member since May 2020
13608 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 4:12 pm to
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“Our salary is only [for] 10 hours [a day], [but] we don’t leave until we’re done. And we’ve never been willing to report it,” a member of a private 85,000-person Facebook group for current and former employees of TSMC in Taiwan wrote in February.



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Adding to the recruiting challenge is TSMC’s demand that new U.S.-based engineering and technician hires ship off to Taiwan for months of training and cultural exposure.

Since April 2021, TSMC has sent 600 newly hired U.S. engineers to Taiwan. “They are now returning to Arizona armed with…the most advanced semiconductor technology knowledge,” a company spokesperson told Fortune.

The overseas training component, which requires U.S. staff to spend anywhere from 12 to 18 months in Taiwan, is uncommon among its rivals in the U.S., even foreign-headquartered firms, says Justin Kinsey, president of SBT Industries, a boutique semiconductor recruitment firm.

Hiring the first batch of engineers and technicians to train in Taiwan was a “heck of a recruiting challenge,” says the Arizona-based CEO. “We’d send 30 jobs [to 30 qualified candidates] and get maybe one or two people to bite,” he said. Recruiters say that some younger engineers viewed TSMC’s overseas training as an all-expenses-paid trip to Taiwan to train on the world’s most sophisticated chipmaking tools. But many candidates were unwilling to go to Taiwan because of the strain it would impose on their families. Some worried about catching COVID-19 and the territory’s geopolitical tensions with China, while others simply didn’t have passports.


This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 4:13 pm
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
36588 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 4:20 pm to
I don’t know anything about this company but I have never seen more miserable looking employees than the sad pitiful souls that worked at the foxconn facilities I had as client for a few years.

It made what should have been an easy account a real pain in the arse because the turnover was so high. Every few months I was having to reintroduce myself to whatever sad sack they would put in as a operation manager

This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 4:21 pm
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
53717 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 4:22 pm to
This is America, where people can lay up on their asses and live comfortably on government handouts. I have a feeling that they’ll struggle to get the employees they need with those work requirements.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62729 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 4:26 pm to
Did they not watch the 80s movie Gung Ho?
Posted by Spankum
Miss-sippi
Member since Jan 2007
55979 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 4:33 pm to
Sounds like a bunch of damn snowflakes posting to me. If you don’t like your working conditions or pay, why not just go somewhere else?
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
94847 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 4:39 pm to
Sounds more to me like a lot of positioning to make TSMC look bad before shite meets fan back home.
Posted by James11111
Walnut Creek
Member since Jul 2020
4652 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 4:50 pm to
I don’t know anything about TSMC, but I know most people Dont go out of their way to leave good reviews on Glassdoor. It’s mostly disgruntled people.

This is not a pro TSMC post, just saying.
Posted by CFDoc
Member since Jan 2013
2093 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 5:03 pm to
For now, TSMC is still in the drivers seat and can keep pushing the labor market this way. For many years now, TSMC has been keeping tight quarters on manufacturing processes and overall tech advancements in the chip making world. And they know it.

It’s why, for now, they’re not overly scared about intel, etc. breaking ground on new manufacturing plants. They’re not as good as TSMC. Not even close.

Time will ultimately change that.
Posted by Witty_Username
Member since Jul 2021
427 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 6:14 pm to
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Big boy contractors been eaten at TSMC

I've heard a lot of them are working on time and material field tickets instead of contracts. Not sure if it has something to do with the unknowns in Taiwan right now or what.
Posted by HighlyFavoredTiger
TexLaArk
Member since Jun 2018
876 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 8:08 pm to
They are smart enough to build near the border so they’ll have a constant supply of incoming illegals to staff their sweat shop.
Posted by Pechon
unperson
Member since Oct 2011
7748 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 8:16 pm to
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Why are these companies choosing Arizona?


Arizona has very little seismic activity in addition destructive weather events like hurricanes and tornadoes not ever happening there.

The seismic stability is extremely important. You're shooting lasers to make things that are only a few nanometers in width. A slight shift in the building could mess up a lot of chips.
Posted by patnuh
South LA
Member since Sep 2005
6701 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 8:29 pm to
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Did they not watch the 80s movie Gung Ho?


Is a bullfrogs arse watertight?
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