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re: Breakdown of how Alabama became so much richer than Canada
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:41 am to crazy4lsu
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:41 am to crazy4lsu
I can't think of any country or area that has improved when there is an infux of Muslim immigrants.
I don't think, ultimately, that Canada will be better-off than they are now, but you're right, I won't be alive to see it.
I don't think, ultimately, that Canada will be better-off than they are now, but you're right, I won't be alive to see it.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:57 am to Ramblin Wreck
Well, it should be noted that those numbers are from the era where Huntsville became the largest city in the state with some frankly incredible growth for a city in this era. Unless Huntsville scales appropriately, they will face similar limitations, depending on their geography, as other cities tend to. Also, the sheer speed of their growth generally causes bureaucracies lots of issues which can be compounded by poor decision making.
In addition, Alabama's other major cities saw a decline in population, likely with moves to the suburbs, so I would suggest that Huntsville's growth is less to do with good economic policy at the state level and more to do with Federal monies coming in.
Well, Alabama isn't immune from this trend. Both Birmingham and Mobile had larger populations in the 1960 census, where Birmingham was among the top 40 cities in the country by population, and now is 140k smaller, and is now 130th or so in US cities by population, with the metro area also only growing from 800k to around 1.2 million today. And the total population rate in Alabama was higher then than it is now.
There really isn't any indication that the population and economic trends are limited to southern states, as the demand for homes in the economic centers of the US is still high. Broadly, US economic policy tends to favor ports and coastal regions as well as certain metropolitan areas. It is more likely that Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi see population benefits from the massive growth of Texas and Florida. And looking more closely at the demographic numbers, I am even less convinced that there is going to be some great restructuring of American population or economic centers. That potential money is far more likely to leave the US than it is to somehow find its way to the Gulf Coast.
In addition, the big issue limiting Alabama is that it simply does not have a world-class engineering school or a world class school in general. The same is true of Mississippi and Louisiana. The growth of many US metropolitan areas can be linked to direct access to high-quality engineering and associated disciplines. Seattle's growth is very much tied to UW's CS and other engineering programs, in the same way San Francisco benefitted greatly from Stanford and UC-Berkeley. Heck, every UC school is pretty highly regarded. Even Nashville and Atlanta have access to Vanderbilt and Georgia Tech. Those areas have also seen growth that dwarfs the Gulf Coast as well.
I'm very skeptical of this specific set of claims, as the current trends (which you yourself referenced) don't seem to support the claim.
In addition, Alabama's other major cities saw a decline in population, likely with moves to the suburbs, so I would suggest that Huntsville's growth is less to do with good economic policy at the state level and more to do with Federal monies coming in.
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You may be correct but there are numerous cities that were on the largest cities in the US list in 1960 that are no longer in the top and cities on that list today that would have been huge surprises in 1960 if they had a sneak peak of what it is today.
Well, Alabama isn't immune from this trend. Both Birmingham and Mobile had larger populations in the 1960 census, where Birmingham was among the top 40 cities in the country by population, and now is 140k smaller, and is now 130th or so in US cities by population, with the metro area also only growing from 800k to around 1.2 million today. And the total population rate in Alabama was higher then than it is now.
There really isn't any indication that the population and economic trends are limited to southern states, as the demand for homes in the economic centers of the US is still high. Broadly, US economic policy tends to favor ports and coastal regions as well as certain metropolitan areas. It is more likely that Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi see population benefits from the massive growth of Texas and Florida. And looking more closely at the demographic numbers, I am even less convinced that there is going to be some great restructuring of American population or economic centers. That potential money is far more likely to leave the US than it is to somehow find its way to the Gulf Coast.
In addition, the big issue limiting Alabama is that it simply does not have a world-class engineering school or a world class school in general. The same is true of Mississippi and Louisiana. The growth of many US metropolitan areas can be linked to direct access to high-quality engineering and associated disciplines. Seattle's growth is very much tied to UW's CS and other engineering programs, in the same way San Francisco benefitted greatly from Stanford and UC-Berkeley. Heck, every UC school is pretty highly regarded. Even Nashville and Atlanta have access to Vanderbilt and Georgia Tech. Those areas have also seen growth that dwarfs the Gulf Coast as well.
I'm very skeptical of this specific set of claims, as the current trends (which you yourself referenced) don't seem to support the claim.
This post was edited on 4/11/26 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 4/11/26 at 12:08 pm to N2cars
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I can't think of any country or area that has improved when there is an infux of Muslim immigrants.
But the majority of immigrants to Canada are from India, something like 30%. Though there is a significant Muslim population in India, it is also probably among the least likely to move. 80% of that country is Hindu.
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I don't think, ultimately, that Canada will be better-off than they are now, but you're right, I won't be alive to see it.
I don't think I said that you wouldn't be around to see it. And regardless, Canada already has a century-long tradition of racism against Indians and Sikhs in particular. Canada's issues are much less to do with the demographics of the immigrants and more with structural issues having to do with urban planning.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 12:13 pm to Ramblin Wreck
Clearly the US should relinquish the state and let Alabama prosper as its own country
Posted on 4/11/26 at 12:42 pm to crazy4lsu
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Population
1,775,710 Muslims in Canada (2021) up from 1,053,945 in 2011.
4.9% of the total national population, up from 3.2% in 2011.
Overwhelmingly urban.
Over half live in Ontario (53.1%, a slight reduction since 2011 indicating internal migration patterning).
Greater Toronto Area and Montreal, Ottawa, Vancouver, and cities in Alberta. Canadian North population is low (505 people) but did increase by 38.3% since 2011.
A similar source showed Indian population to be @ 2.87M in Canada.
I dont disagree with what you said about urban planning, and as that source says, they are mostly going to urban areas, which increases the strain on those resources.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 12:54 pm to Ramblin Wreck
One thing that I have learned through my life is that you can twist numbers in order to “‘prove” anything that you want to. The idea that Alabama is richer than Canada is patently ridiculous.
That is like something you would hear on one of the political punditry channels.
That is like something you would hear on one of the political punditry channels.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 12:55 pm to N2cars
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A similar source showed Indian population to be @ 2.87M in Canada.
Yes, the recent problems with immigration almost singularly stem from Indians, specifically student visas.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 1:11 pm to crazy4lsu
On another note, we need more Tim Horton's in America!
Posted on 4/11/26 at 4:09 pm to crazy4lsu
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In addition, the big issue limiting Alabama is that it simply does not have a world-class engineering school or a world class school in general.
I’m a Georgia Tech grad so will obviously argue about the relative strength of my school versus others in engineering. However, Auburn and Alabama do have good engineering programs.
Coincidentally I did see this article on the strength of UAB’s graduate programs. From the article - They are ranked #1 in the master’s of science in Health Administration. UAB ranked in the top 20 in 17 different graduate programs this year. Most were from UAB’s School of Nursing, where UAB had the eighth best master’s of science in nursing program in the nation. UAB also ranked in the top 20 in physical therapy, occupational therapy and epidemiology. The medical school also has very high rankings. The complex is huge.
UAB graduate school rankings
This post was edited on 4/11/26 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 4/11/26 at 4:19 pm to Ramblin Wreck
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I’m a Georgia Tech grad so will obviously argue about the relative strength of my school versus others in engineering. However, Auburn and Alabama do have good engineering programs.
I'm not doubting that, but it is just that they are a tier or two below other engineering schools. From what I gather, some of the investment in Alabama's engineering (from a grad of the program) was relatively late. And I don't think there is any question as to whether any public university in the Gulf Coast reaches the level of other large public schools like UF, UT-Austin and UGA.
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They are ranked #1 in the master’s of science in Health Administration.
Damn, then UAB is my enemy. I absolutely hate the frick out of my hospital's administrators. Just an absolutely worthless group who is divorced (in a lot of cases) from things that occur on the floors.
Regardless, UAB is well-known in healthcare, but there should be more focus on developing Mobile, as it being a port city should make it larger than it is now. I read an article a while back that posited that one of the keys to large economic growth was a world-class school very close to a port of call. There are several cities and schools that meet this (entirely arbitrary until I can recall specifics) criteria, and have seen massive growth.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 4:33 pm to LegendInMyMind
Law Co is full… stay out, they do not want you either
Posted on 4/11/26 at 5:14 pm to BigD43
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My point was that AOC didnt want to give tax breaks to Amazon. They then chose to move their HQ to another state and now NY will miss out on any taxes from Amazon.
I know. I was saying there's currently complaints across the aisle in Virginia that the sweetheart deal they gave Amazon has been a net negative so far so it seems like AOC (among a lot of others) may have been right to not kowtow to them.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 5:32 pm to crazy4lsu
LSU Engerneerinf likely better than all of those you listed there. Has some intangibles but really great
Posted on 4/11/26 at 5:51 pm to NorthshoreClown100
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LSU Engerneerinf likely better than all of those you listed there. Has some intangibles but really great
When I worked in Huntsville, which is basically transplants from all over the world. Everyone is an engineer in that city.
Primarily fresh college grad engineers came from Auburn, Mississippi State, Georgia tech, and Florida. Tons of California transplants, and many from the north east because of relocations with Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Blue origin, and Northrop.
Rarely met guys from Louisiana, always assumed primarily they worked in the oil and gas industries and moved to Texas.
Huntsville was primarily electrical, mechanical/aerospace engineering
Posted on 4/12/26 at 2:58 am to wm72
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I know. I was saying there's currently complaints across the aisle in Virginia that the sweetheart deal they gave Amazon has been a net negative so far so it seems like AOC (among a lot of others) may have been right to not kowtow to them.
Has Virginia not made money in taxes from Amazon?
Posted on 4/12/26 at 1:41 pm to BigD43
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Has Virginia not made money in taxes from Amazon?
I only know what I've read and that is Amazon's promise was around 25k jobs paying over $150k and they've only made it to 7k now and have been cutting jobs instead of adding recently.
I'm sure there are other advantages in Amazon attracting other tech businesses to Arlington but it hasn't really been the economic "home run" promised. Very mixed reviews.
Also, different areas need different things. As someone who lives in Brooklyn and has a business somewhat near what would have been the Amazon corridor, I'm not sure an Amazon tech corridor would have addressed the main problems in any way.
In this Queens/Brooklyn border area, there's already head turning development and growth.
the main issue for most who live and have businesses there is Private Equity gobbling up all the retail space (and much residential) and claiming a "market value" for retail space that far exceeds what any real displaced business could/would pay to cook their books.
The area already has an rapidly exploding population of young professionals making good money and rent prices skyrocketing.
I'm no financial wizard but "growth" can often mean big profits for far flung investors without a direct benefit to the area that's growing. Strip mining.
A tech corridor in what's already one of the most competitive, fastest growing real estate markets in America didn't necessarily mean solving what the actual issues here are.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 2:12 pm to SECCaptain
quote:I’d be in favor of seeing if it would imitate Florida’s example.
Clearly the US should relinquish the state and let Alabama prosper as its own country
Alabama Away!

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