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Posted on 4/10/26 at 12:50 pm to SloaneRanger
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When Mercedes was announced people screamed and howled about the size of the incentives package it was given. It has paid for itself many, many times over.
Automotive has also become a huge industry in South Carolina as well. We've got a Mercedes plant (sprinter vans), BMW, and a huge Volvo plant. Scout is also building a plant for 2027. Clemson has a Bachelor of Automotive Engineering degree they now offer.
This post was edited on 4/10/26 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 4/10/26 at 1:25 pm to Chucktown_Badger
didn’t see much Auburn footage in that video…
Posted on 4/10/26 at 1:28 pm to fightin tigers
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but does it mention the vast amount of federal tax dollars poured into Alabama from states like California and New York
It does.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 1:36 pm to Chucktown_Badger
Clemson has a separate automotive engineering research campus in Greenville.
Lot of manufacturing activity in the southeast.
Lot of manufacturing activity in the southeast.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 1:42 pm to Jmcc64
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It does.
Good to see they included it. Shows American socialism in practice.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 1:43 pm to Ramblin Wreck
Baldwin County AL is bursting at the seams. We have a home in Foley, AL south end off Co Rd 10. It’s insane. Selling is definitely in our vocabulary right now.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 2:05 pm to Ramblin Wreck
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Canada increased taxes, has been declining in productivity and opened the immigration flood gates to low skilled workers.
Who cares about the numbers, they’re morally superior and that’s what matters
Posted on 4/10/26 at 2:07 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Speaking as someone who lives in the fastest growing county in the state......it ain't all sunshine and rainbows. People are every damn where now, more pop up constantly out of every ditch and pothole around. T
Well yeah…that’s called growth
Posted on 4/10/26 at 2:26 pm to fightin tigers
quote:Correct. You can’t compare a small part of a larger country, especially one receiving net support from it, to a standalone country and treat the result as meaningful.
this keeps coming out that Alabama GDP is higher than Canada. It is a useless metric to view in a vacuum.
One is backed by federal spending, transfer payments, and a unified domestic market with shared monetary policy. The other has to manage its own currency, trade, fiscal policy, and national services.
This post was edited on 4/10/26 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 4/10/26 at 2:34 pm to fightin tigers
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Breakdown of how Alabama became so much richer than Canada
Not going to watch this version of the same retread story, but does it mention the vast amount of federal tax dollars poured into Alabama from states like California and New York?
TLDW: this keeps coming out that Alabama GDP is higher than Canada. It is a useless metric to view in a vacuum.
same topic 6 weeks ago being pushed on TD
Net inflows account for about 10 - 15% of Alabama's GDP. That's not immaterial but certainly doesn't explain away all the difference.
There has been a lot of back and forth on the internet on this, mostly from Canadians and / or Europeans who say "NO WAY!" but I'll say this: I am surprised by how much innovation and economic productivity Alabama has. The Huntsville area (aerospace and defense), the Birmingham area (healthcare and manufacturing), and the Gulf Coast (the port, logistics, aerospace, real estate / tourism) all have major, world class-level economic drivers going for them, and that's where like 2/3 - 3/4 of the state's population lives. The state certainly has its problems, especially in the Black Belt, but I've lived all over the country and the world and have no problem believing that large parts of Alabama are as wealthy and have a high quality of life as the richest countries in the world outside the U.S.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 2:36 pm to Ramblin Wreck
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opened the immigration flood gates to low skilled workers
We’ve done the same thing in America. Most of them are on entitlements or being supported by religious NGO’s. They aren’t working.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 2:37 pm to AbuTheMonkey
quote:If 10–15% of GDP is coming from net inflows, that’s a structural advantage baked into the number before you even start comparing. That alone is enough to distort a comparison.
Net inflows account for about 10 - 15% of Alabama's GDP. That's not immaterial but certainly doesn't explain away all the difference.
There has been a lot of back and forth on the internet on this, mostly from Canadians and / or Europeans who say "NO WAY!" but I'll say this: I am surprised by how much innovation and economic productivity Alabama has. The Huntsville area (aerospace and defense), the Birmingham area (healthcare and manufacturing), and the Gulf Coast (the port, logistics, aerospace, real estate / tourism) all have major, world class-level economic drivers going for them, and that's where like 2/3 - 3/4 of the state's population lives.
Then add: access to a unified U.S. market, federal defense and infrastructure spending, and no responsibility for running a currency or national system. Canada carries those burdens itself.
Look at how many of your own examples only work because Alabama is tied into the larger U.S. system.
The manufacturing base depends on access to a national market and federal infrastructure. Defense spending is federal money. Transfers and subsidies are federal. Even the stability behind investment is coming from U.S. monetary and fiscal policy.
You're pointing to outputs that are downstream of that integration, then treating them like they’re self-contained. They’re not. That’s exactly why the comparison is useless.
This post was edited on 4/10/26 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 4/10/26 at 2:45 pm to northshorebamaman
If you want a more accurate comparison, you need to match the level, adjust the inputs, and stop relying on averages.
Compare state to province or country to country, not across levels. Strip out federal transfers for the state so you’re not counting outside support. Use median, cost-of-living–adjusted measures instead of GDP per capita, and pair output with basic outcomes.
Anything else is useless.
Compare state to province or country to country, not across levels. Strip out federal transfers for the state so you’re not counting outside support. Use median, cost-of-living–adjusted measures instead of GDP per capita, and pair output with basic outcomes.
Anything else is useless.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 3:02 pm to Ramblin Wreck
Alabama never had Fidelito as governor.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 4:10 pm to N2cars
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It is stunning to see how quickly they are ascending to positions of power.
It's sickening, not stunning.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 4:27 pm to SloaneRanger
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When Mercedes was announced people screamed and howled about the size of the incentives package it was given. It has paid for itself many, many times over.
Remember when AOC didnt want Amazon move to NY state because she wanted to repurpose the roughly $3 billion in state and city tax incentives the state was offering?
Repurpose the TAX incentives. How much did NY make in taxes after Amazon went elsewhere?
Posted on 4/10/26 at 4:28 pm to northshorebamaman
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You're pointing to outputs that are downstream of that integration, then treating them like they’re self-contained. They’re not. That’s exactly why the comparison is useless.
That is a good point and it shouldn't be ignored that Huntsville's growth has been directly tied to the aerospace industry and Redstone Arsenal. That isn't to mention the other military installations in the state which promise direct federal dollars as well. It seems like the size and relative importance of those military installations promises federal dollars even during periods where overall spending might be cut. That's a pretty good strategy for a state which doesn't have the same degree of natural resources as other areas of the country.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 5:02 pm to fightin tigers
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this keeps coming out that Alabama GDP is higher than Canada. It is a useless metric to view in a vacuum.
It is a very useful metric, and would be damning of Canada if it was true, which it obviously isn’t.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 5:17 pm to fightin tigers
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but does it mention the vast amount of federal tax dollars poured into Alabama from states like California and New York?
I thought NY and CA people were sooooooooooo much smarter.
Do you know what Alabama does not have?
a $135 BILLION dollar train to nowhere
Do you know what the federal transfers to Alabama totalled in 2022?
Approximately $20.2 billion
In fiscal year 2022, Alabama received approximately $20.2 billion in federal transfers, which accounted for 1.6% of all federal government transfers to states.
So California has spent $135 billion on a fricking train with nothing functioning yet, and that is worth between 6 to 7 YEARS worth of the transfers to Alabama.
More money should be transferred to Alabama so it will be less likely to be wasted.
Do you want to get into the fraud in California?
Finally, for the 5,000th time I have asked this question, if red states are so "expensive" for blue states to be associated with, why don't the blue states kick out the red states?
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