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BR Traffic Question - Displaced Left Turns

Posted on 4/18/19 at 1:12 pm
Posted by SM6
Georgia
Member since Jul 2008
8798 posts
Posted on 4/18/19 at 1:12 pm
So the GDOT has proposed adding a displaced left turn to a terribly congested intersection near me. The company, Stantec cites their experience building one in BR. I'd be curious how this thing has functioned there, because by all indications it seems like a clusterfrick waiting to happen. Oncoming lanes go at the same time, but traffic crosses the oncoming lanes 100 yards down the road.



The intersection in BR is located at Airline and Siegen. Anyone want to provide feedback on how well it works (regular 18-wheeler accidents notwithstanding).
Posted by gatorhater08
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2011
2456 posts
Posted on 4/18/19 at 1:15 pm to
It’s a little goofy but it gets the job done. I’ve only seen a person going the wrong way one time.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 4/18/19 at 1:15 pm to
Is this like the one on Camellia Blvd in Lafayette? If that’s the case, it works well
This post was edited on 4/18/19 at 1:16 pm
Posted by burdman
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
20685 posts
Posted on 4/18/19 at 1:16 pm to
There's one in Lafayette at Camellia/Johnson but only on Camellia not the other sides of the intersection.

Seems to work alright. Doesn't have the volume of Airline & Sherwood though

ETA: Feels like you're doing something wrong the first time you use it and there's oncoming traffic on both sides of you.

ETA2: misread OP and thought they were about to put this in BR
This post was edited on 4/18/19 at 1:24 pm
Posted by Vrai
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2003
3894 posts
Posted on 4/18/19 at 1:17 pm to
First day it opened, I saw folks stopped and looking around wondering wtf was going on, but it seems to be pretty efficient.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27067 posts
Posted on 4/18/19 at 1:17 pm to
I was having a hard time visualizing this, so I found these videos, in case anyone else would find them useful: LINK and LINK
This post was edited on 4/18/19 at 1:19 pm
Posted by piratedude
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2009
2501 posts
Posted on 4/18/19 at 1:20 pm to
the one in baton rouge is at the intersection of sherwood forest and highway 61. i think the design was initially tried in mexico.

it has worked wonders in reducing the number of light cycles we sit through and the total time at the intersection. I think the secret is moving the left turners to the wrong side of the road well before the intersection. imagine left turns and straight traffic entering the intersection at the same time. total chaos.

now imagine the left turners crossing the oncoming lane at the same time the straight traffic starts, but they cross 1/8th of a mile down the road. by the time the straight traffic gets to the left turn intersection, the left turns have crossed and the left turn signal has turned red.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
73681 posts
Posted on 4/18/19 at 1:22 pm to
Is called a continuous flow intersection or something like that.

There is a wikipedia page.

Amazing what it did to airline/sherwood.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 4/18/19 at 1:23 pm to
Probably the “best flowing” major intersection in BR
Posted by SM6
Georgia
Member since Jul 2008
8798 posts
Posted on 4/18/19 at 1:24 pm to
Awesome, that is good to know. This intersection is a nightmare during rush hour, can be 3-4 cycles for north south traffic.

The video was a very helpful illustration.
Posted by MikeD
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
7239 posts
Posted on 4/18/19 at 1:26 pm to
Airline / Siegen interchange improved greatly from this. Turn that frown upside down friend.
Posted by Grit-Eating Shin
You're an Idiot
Member since May 2013
8433 posts
Posted on 4/18/19 at 1:28 pm to
quote:

Is called a continuous flow intersection or something like that.

That is exactly what it's called. Or CFI for those in the industry lol.

And yes, they work great, assuming you have the space to construct them. I occasionally see one idiot get stuck in the middle of the intersection while the other cars pass, but that's only because they tried to run the red light. They actually get stuck in a protected area, so it's not like they're blocking anyone from crossing.
This post was edited on 4/18/19 at 1:31 pm
Posted by Grit-Eating Shin
You're an Idiot
Member since May 2013
8433 posts
Posted on 4/18/19 at 1:30 pm to
quote:

The company, Stantec cites their experience building one in BR.

The company was ABMB when they did the one in BR. Stantec acquired ABMB in 2012. So that office in Georgia had nothing to do with BR's CFI.
Posted by RougeDawg
Member since Jul 2016
5850 posts
Posted on 4/18/19 at 1:30 pm to
It works better than what was there before, but in the long run it should have been a separated grade.
Posted by Rock the Casbah
Member since Dec 2014
940 posts
Posted on 4/18/19 at 1:33 pm to
quote:

Airline / Siegen interchange improved greatly from this.


Yes but I still wonder if 6 laning Airline would have worked better. That’s the thing - yes, it works. is it the best solution? i guess that depends.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36030 posts
Posted on 4/18/19 at 1:35 pm to
I use it all the time and it has helped
Posted by BigB0882
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
5308 posts
Posted on 4/18/19 at 2:01 pm to
I think it has worked quite well. As others said, it can be a little confusing at first but you figure it out and for such a major intersection it doesn't have near the problems of other, much less traveled, intersections in this city.
Posted by City
Member since Jul 2005
1232 posts
Posted on 4/18/19 at 3:13 pm to
The CFI at Airline/Siegen in BR flows better than most intersections in town. The only thing that fricks with the flow on the Airline side is traffic backing up from the next intersection down at Jefferson Hwy.

Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 4/18/19 at 3:31 pm to
It works fine. If we can manage and you can't, you might want to check your city's water supply for lead.
Posted by link
Member since Feb 2009
19867 posts
Posted on 4/18/19 at 3:40 pm to
the CFI in baton rouge works great. don't worry about us. y'all on the other hand may have some issues with that design.

i'm seeing only one lane for the northbound left. that alone seems counter-intuitive. the justification for CFIs are usually heavy left turn movements backing up the through movements. if the left turns are so heavy, why aren't those double lefts?

almost the same comment on the southbound left...you can see there is a single left lane for storage, then it opens up to a double as it crosses the opposing throughs. if two lanes are justified after the crossing, then they should be used for the storage as well. if not, that's just gonna back up.

and you said stantec, but it looks like arcadis did these sheets. hopefully whoever did the CFI in BR will have some input on the final design.
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