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re: Boy Attacked and killed by a pit bull
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:11 pm to Artie Rome
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:11 pm to Artie Rome
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Dogs have property ownership rights? That's a new one to me.
You obviously have no real point... That's why we have dogs right? To guard a territory. To protect us from people coming into our/their space. It's the owners property, which is fenced in to keep his guard dog in check. Yes, that is the dogs "territory". I bet your kids don't do shite wrong huh?
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:11 pm to CocomoLSU
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And IMO, pits sort of get a bad wrap because of the type of people that often own them...so the reason you hear about pits attacking people more than other breeds is because I'd bet the ratio of shitty owners is higher for them than most other breeds. But I guess instead of looking at things logically, it's easier (and more fun) to see things irrationally and emotionally and just assume that all ______ are _____.
Although yes it's true, pit bulls tend to be the choice of shitty, low brow, trashy, irresponsible pet owners, the main reason they get a "bad rap" is because they have been genetically engineered to be killing machines. Years and years of selective breeding has resulted in an animal that has the physical power and mental disposition that makes them killers in a class all their own.
Sure, other breeds may bite, but pit bulls do what we've designed them to do, kill.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:11 pm to CocomoLSU
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acting like every pit bull is an a-hole dog ready to kill babies for fun
No. I have some close friends that foster pits. I know they can be good dogs. But there is no legitimate purpose to having them that outweighs their potential danger, in my opinion.
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So the owner is a "short-dicked tough guy" for owning a pit bull? Got it.
It's the OT, bra. Not NPR. This is how we "discuss things" and you know that.
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I'm curious. Would any of your (anti-dpit people) minds change on this particular story if it comes out that the kid was terrorizing the dog and it defended itself? Honest question.
I don't care if the 6 YEAR OLD was poking the dog with sticks and pissing on it. Again, that is the difference with a pit-bull. They don't bite. They kill. A 6 YEAR OLD does not deserve to die for jumping a fence and bothering a dog.
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There's a lot about this story that doesn't add up to me, and I feel like lots of information is missing. It says the kid was staying at (not visiting) his grandparents' house, but then that the mother was there and the one calling 911. And the whole thing about the kid(s) hopping the fence on the reg seems odd, especially when the neighbors aren't home and there is a dog there (nevermind even a pit bull). And she couldn't get to her kid? Or nobody else could? Just seems like a lot of weird info surrounding this.
I've addressed all of that. Poor kid was likely living in a shitty world with a trashy obese mom who couldn't take care of him. They lived next door to a pit after all. But what does that have to do with the fact that the bull-terrier breeds are known killers with no utilitarian purpose?
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:12 pm to Artie Rome
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Get back to me when your 6 year old gets eaten by a dog, tough guy.
shite happens, that doesn't make what happened illegal or negligent on the canine owners part.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:13 pm to Barf
I can't put the blame on the dog. Just about any dog can become a killer if raised that way. I'm just glad these parents didn't have an Anatolian shepherd or something like that.
Personally I don't have a need for pit bulls or German shepherds; I'm more of a lab and hound guy because I need a dog that's more suited for tracking/retrieving.
Whoever was responsible for this child's upbringing as well as the dog is to blame.
Personally I don't have a need for pit bulls or German shepherds; I'm more of a lab and hound guy because I need a dog that's more suited for tracking/retrieving.
Whoever was responsible for this child's upbringing as well as the dog is to blame.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:15 pm to Artie Rome
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I take it you have never had a 6 year old child.
Actually I have. 2 of them to be exact, they're older now but even back then my kids knew to respect other people's property and especially stay out of fenced in yards with dogs in them. Some parents aren't bright enough to teach their kids that and are putting their children at risk.
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It also might fall, just a tad, on the short-dicked tough guy that needed a pit in his yard instead of, oh I don't know, a Collie?
Nah, the owner has every right to choose his dog. Maybe the owner chose a pit bull to protect his FENCED IN property from intruders. If that's the case the owner suceeded in training his dog to serve it's purpose and at the same time proved that the mother in this case did not succeed in training her 6 year old.
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:17 pm to Artie Rome
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Get back to me when your 6 year old gets eaten by a dog, tough guy.
I can tell you that my child wouldn't jump over any of my neighbors fences. I would never let my son play outside without me watching him.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:21 pm to Artie Rome
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Tell me why you need to own a breed that is disproportionately aggressive and known to attack kids and not stop until they are dead.
To keep you and your disrespectful 6 year old off my fricking property.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:22 pm to Artie Rome
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But what does that have to do with the fact that the bull-terrier breeds are known killers with no utilitarian purpose?
But these dogs do have a utilitarian purpose.....
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:24 pm to Not Cooper
Gay pit bull's marrying hurts nobody.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:24 pm to ShoeBang
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Nope. Bad parenting mixed with a volatile breed of dog would still be the cause of this tragedy if your hypothetical situation became true.
Just FYI, my hypothetical situation is no different from the hypothetical agenda in this thread that is assuming the dog attacked and killed this kid for no reason.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:36 pm to Artie Rome
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But there is no legitimate purpose to having them that outweighs their potential danger, in my opinion.
They are often used at catch dogs for catching hogs, and are quite good at it.
I wouldn't recommend that someone with small children or an elderly person own one, but they have a purpose.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:39 pm to Artie Rome
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A 6 YEAR OLD does not deserve to die for jumping a fence and bothering a dog.
What if the kid jumped the fence and drowned in a fountain on the property? Do we ban all evil murderous fountains? Water features can be deadly you know.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:40 pm to Artie Rome
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I know they can be good dogs. But there is no legitimate purpose to having them that outweighs their potential danger, in my opinion.
Okay. So you admit that you know they can be good, normal dogs. That's a big step here.
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It's the OT, bra. Not NPR. This is how we "discuss things" and you know that.
Nah, man...that's how the idiots of the OT "discuss" things. I tend to enjoy having grown up discussions and the OT is capable of that...as are you I'm sure.
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I don't care if the 6 YEAR OLD was poking the dog with sticks and pissing on it. Again, that is the difference with a pit-bull. They don't bite. They kill. A 6 YEAR OLD does not deserve to die for jumping a fence and bothering a dog.
But you should care about that. If any animal is provoked enough, it will attack its aggressor. ANY dog/animal will do that, or at least is capable. You do realize that you're putting all pit bulls into the same category, which really isn't fair to do, right? (and let's not even get into that most of the time when people call a dog a "pit bull," they're completely wrong anyway)
And I'm not sure why you capitalized the fact that he's six...to me, that is evidence of the parents/grandparents being to blame more than anything else, let alone the dog.
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But what does that have to do with the fact that the bull-terrier breeds are known killers with no utilitarian purpose?
You keep saying this. IMO dogfighting (and its illegality) is what gives pits this moniker more than anything else. Not to mention that in this day in age, where news is so easily accessible, you simply hear more about it. And dogs attack kids all the time, but the media reporting a Collie attack (to use a previous example) isn't gonna generate the same interest as reporting a pit bull attack. And I don't disagree that pits attack at a higher rate than other breeds, but I've already addressed that in a previous post (about shitty/low-class/irresponsible owners).
I mean, for a long time, pits were damn near a national treasure. Look at this vicious monster:
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:49 pm to FenrirTheBeard
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:52 pm to sicboy
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My decision to never have my kids around pit bulls isn't going to infringe on anyone's right to have one, so what does it matter? I have the right to do whatever I feel is in the best interest of my kid's safety.
It all comes down to responsibility. Be responsible for your kids, be responsible with your pit bull.
I completely agree with you. I put the blame on the parent. The kid jumped the fence. The parent is responsible.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 1:00 pm to Darth_Vader
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That's what makes pit bulls so dangerous though. According to the article this kid knew and played with this dog in the past. So I'm sure before this attack the dog was considered by everyone around it to be a "wonderful dog".
That's the thing about pits, they're great dogs... right up until the moment they're not.
If you don't think this story screams trailer park/hood, then I don't know what to tell you. You really think this dog, left alone in the front yard while owners were gone, was a loved family dog that had good dog owners?
Do you really think that's the case here?
Posted on 7/8/15 at 1:02 pm to Barf
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but when she was working with small animals she says never once did she have a problem with a pit on her examination table.
That's because in general they are one of the most calm and better mannered dog breeds... of ALL breeds. I'm not trolling. They are beefy dogs, and when one is not raised right, just like any other medium to large breed, they can cause serious damage when scared or provoked. It's trendy to hate on APBT's and staffordshire terriers, but they get a bad rap and are blamed for virtually every attack by any breed.
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 7/8/15 at 1:06 pm to Artie Rome
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What do these known time-bombs offer that you can't find in another breed?
Street cred. Power status symbol for the trailer park or hood.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 1:10 pm to panterica
I've now had a total of 4 pitbulls. Got my first one when I was 5 years old. Dog never attacked me, but damn it if anyone acted like they were going to harm me or my family she stood her ground. Best dog I ever had. My parents, starting at around age 7 or 8, would leave me at home alone with her because we had seen how protective she was. Used to use her as a pillow for saturday morning cartoons. None of mine have ever bitten or attacked anyone, but I still do recognize that any dog can flip out and turn aggressive under certain circumstances.
Should the owner of the dog probably not leave a dog outside when they aren't there, yes. When I am not at home, I keep my pitbull and my bullmastiff/lab mix inside. That way there can never be an incident unless some idiot tries to enter my home illegally. But what kind of parent lets their kid climb fences like that? I was always taught to go to the neighbors door and knock and if they weren't home to wait until they got back and then go talk to them. My neighbors had some amazing rottweilers, but I knew never to just go over there or climb their fence. I had to wait until they got home and then I could go play with them.
Should the owner of the dog probably not leave a dog outside when they aren't there, yes. When I am not at home, I keep my pitbull and my bullmastiff/lab mix inside. That way there can never be an incident unless some idiot tries to enter my home illegally. But what kind of parent lets their kid climb fences like that? I was always taught to go to the neighbors door and knock and if they weren't home to wait until they got back and then go talk to them. My neighbors had some amazing rottweilers, but I knew never to just go over there or climb their fence. I had to wait until they got home and then I could go play with them.
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