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re: Bourbon Street work: Costs for one block near $1 million
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:07 am to DaBeerz
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:07 am to DaBeerz
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They should put up enclosed, elevated police guard towers every other block
Nothing more aesthetically pleasing than making Bourbon look like a super max prison.
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Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:16 am to Ed Osteen
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I wonder how many people think that Bourbon street renovations means they are just laying asphalt and repairing curbs. These streets haven't been fully dug up in a hundred years.
OK, but was it absolutely necessary to do this construction, particularly when the city is in a financial mess? Isn't Bourbon St. mostly closed off to vehicle traffic right now, limiting wear? Why couldn't a simple repaving suffice? Electrical/mechanical upgrades weren't part of the original plan, right? I'd imagine not since they're surprised that some raceways that they're running into exist at all, so those conductors may not even be live.
Plus the new street designs looks fricking ridiculous. It looks a walkway cutting through some strip malls, not even remotely appropriate for a historical street.
If they were going to do anything at all, they should have done something like Fulton St:
Though they all look the same once they're inevitably covered in piss and vomit and the blood of innocent tourists.
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:21 am to THRILLHO
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OK, but was it absolutely necessary to do this construction, particularly when the city is in a financial mess?
Pretty sure Breesus summed up the answer to this question pretty nicely earlier in the thread. If he didn't do all this unnecessary work on a well-known street, how else could Mitch grandstand on a national level about all the good he's done for New Orleans?
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:26 am to AbitaFan08
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Pretty sure Breesus summed up the answer to this question pretty nicely earlier in the thread. If he didn't do all this unnecessary work on a well-known street, how else could Mitch grandstand on a national level about all the good he's done for New Orleans?
I'm sure part of this is grandstanding.
But, the street needs it. It's one of the most popular places in the city, the street is in terrible condition, and the work in the subsurface, pipes, utilities, etc is needed as well.
I know it's crazy, but it's actually a good thing the city is replacing this stuff BEFORE there is a major problem. We are not used to that type of thinking here in this city, being proactive and all.
I just wish he would be honest about the cost. Considering how much in sales and hotel taxes that street brings to the city, 9 million is a bargain. But just be honest about it.
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:30 am to LSUFanHouston
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We are not used to that type of thinking here in this city, being proactive and all.
You're giving the Bitch waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much credit here. None of this has to do with doing preventative maintenance.
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:31 am to LNCHBOX
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You're giving the Bitch waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much credit here. None of this has to do with doing preventative maintenance.
Maybe. Like I said, grandstanding is definitely part of this.
But a broken clock is right twice a day. This needs to be done.
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:31 am to Martini
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The only real problem is it was let as a maintenance contract instead of advertised bid however even as this it had to be 3 bidders at least invited whether they bid or not.
Maintenance contracts are bid separate and not scope based. You bid on a multiplier. Low bidder gets entered into a pool to do work. Work is done based upon a price book.
So in other words, Joe Contractor bids a multiplier of -.10. He wins. Then he gets a call to go do this work. So he opens the NOLA price book and puts together an estimate based upon the scope. This book will have a work rate for everything you can think of (i.e.: remove concrete =$6.56/ CY). So he loads this up with anything he can think of, times his multiplier of -.10, and sends this in for authorization.
This is great for the city in that it allows them to get work done quickly. It's terrible for taxpayers because it's stupid easy to make a shite ton of money milking the price book being approved by people that don't understand how work gets done.
It was terrible idea doing this as a maintenance contract.
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:31 am to THRILLHO
quote:The answer is yes, it needed to be done. Of course that could be said for almost every street in New Orleans.
OK, but was it absolutely necessary to do this construction, particularly when the city is in a financial mess? Isn't Bourbon St. mostly closed off to vehicle traffic right now, limiting wear? Why couldn't a simple repaving suffice? Electrical/mechanical upgrades weren't part of the original plan, right? I'd imagine not since they're surprised that some raceways that they're running into exist at all, so those conductors may not even be live.
As mentioned, its not about the resurfacing, it is what is underground - there are places in the Quarter that still have pipes made of wood.
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:34 am to LSUFanHouston
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I just wish he would be honest about the cost. Considering how much in sales and hotel taxes that street brings to the city, 9 million is a bargain. But just be honest about it.
This is my problem with it as well.
When I read the article, I didn't think, "holy crap, $9 million for that???"
I thought, "holy crap, the estimate was off by over three times the actual cost???"
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:36 am to AbitaFan08
What exactly are they doing? Concrete?
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:38 am to THRILLHO
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Plus the new street designs looks fricking ridiculous. It looks a walkway cutting through some strip malls, not even remotely appropriate for a historical street.
This looks like what they did downtown on Julia st. I'm not a civil eng. but I'm sure there is a reason why they are giving the street a more modern look.
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:43 am to S
OK, found the details:
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So it looks like the project itself isn't egregious, but Mitch's bidding structure was.
Smart thinking. That will allow Mitch's concrete cousin to double dip when they tear up Bourbon again in a decade because "people need fiber."
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The work will be done over an unusually tight timeline that Department of Public Works Director Mark Jernigan said will mean work crews will need to work 12 hours a day, six days a week, beginning at 6 a.m. The work will take place Monday through Saturday, starting in late April, and will include replacing drain lines, water lines and repairing and lining sewers. Entergy also plans to replace steel gas lines with high-pressure gas lines.
So it looks like the project itself isn't egregious, but Mitch's bidding structure was.
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The timeline is so tight, Jernigan said other utilities such as phone and cable companies won't be allowed to do work on the project unless it's considered a top priority.
Smart thinking. That will allow Mitch's concrete cousin to double dip when they tear up Bourbon again in a decade because "people need fiber."
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:44 am to Breesus
Before Barry O left office NOLA was given a $2 billion federal grant for street repair. I have not heard of anything about the current administration rejecting it, but honestly I would not be surprised if this was the case.
well after a little research this does not looking promising
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well after a little research this does not looking promising
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Officials in Mayor Mitch Landrieu's administration, state government, Congress and FEMA denounced the report this week as baseless and improperly researched. Should it ever see the light of day, it could derail months of planning to begin repairs to New Orleans' crumbling traffic grid, Cedric Grant, Mayor Mitch Landrieu's infrastructure czar, said Friday (Jan. 13).
Trump's election victory adds another layer of uncertainty, considering Landrieu struck the deal with President Barack Obama's administration. Trump is scheduled to take the oath of office next Friday.
This post was edited on 7/26/17 at 10:50 am
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:48 am to ellishughtiger
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Before Barry O left office NOLA was given a $2 billion federal grant for street repair. I have not heard of anything about the current administration rejecting it, but honestly I would not be surprised if this was the case.
You mean the local administration rejecting it, or Trump trying to stop it? I'm pretty sure the way those federal funds work is it either has to be spent on infrastructure, or it has to be returned. I know that situation came up when Jindal spent federal money on the airports. Bunk from The Wire (Wendall Pierce) freaked the frick out about it saying that it should be spent on schools/police, but Jindal wasn't allowed to.
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:50 am to ellishughtiger
I can't wait for the shite show when the job isn't done by Mardi Gras.
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:57 am to tgrbaitn08
I was down there this past weekend for a wedding and it was a complete cluster. When fall comes around and more tourist start pouring in the city is going to have to figure out something else. I can imagine those clubs and bars are taking a huge hit right now.
Theyre going to have to stop construction and put some kind of temp, flooring down for foot traffic. Not sure if this will be an option though. Not my problem, I sure as hell don't goto the quarter for Mardi Gras.
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I can't wait for the shite show when the job isn't done by Mardi Gras.
Theyre going to have to stop construction and put some kind of temp, flooring down for foot traffic. Not sure if this will be an option though. Not my problem, I sure as hell don't goto the quarter for Mardi Gras.
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:00 am to Draconian Sanctions
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spending that money on BOURBON STREET of all places is odd
da frick?
fixing the most famous road in the city (country?) which badly needed a makeover is far from odd
This post was edited on 7/26/17 at 11:00 am
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:02 am to THRILLHO
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Plus the new street designs looks fricking ridiculous
its cheaper and easier to maintain
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:19 am to rocket31
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its cheaper and easier to maintain
So is a dirt road. What's your point?
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:43 am to OvertheDwayneBowe
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They did the maintenance route to avoid the lengthy design and public bid. Otherwise, it would have never been completed during the current mayor's term. It might not even have started until the new mayor.
Lol. They did that to give the contract to his family member and no other reason.
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