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re: Bourbon street construction nearly 3x over budget
Posted on 2/1/18 at 1:13 pm to LSUBoo
Posted on 2/1/18 at 1:13 pm to LSUBoo
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In one case, I talked to the low bidder and asked him how confident he was in his bid, made sure he knew the full scope of the project. He had completely left off a large portion of the work and withdrew his bid. Why he was bidding without a full understanding of the work is beyond me, but at least we caught it ahead of time. He would have gone belly up and we'd have had to use his bonding company to finish the job.
I've ran into this situation many times. It's good to have someone do a good scope of work and then either yourself or some technical people be able to sift through a bid and be able to identify what someone may have missed.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 1:14 pm to notiger1997
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I've ran into this situation many times. It's good to have someone do a good scope of work and then either yourself or some technical people be able to sift through a bid and be able to identify what someone may have missed.
Why would you ever submit a bid without a technical review?
Posted on 2/1/18 at 1:16 pm to elprez00
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brother in law
Pretty sure that’s the name of the guy who owns hard rock, right?
Went to school with one of his kids
Posted on 2/1/18 at 1:16 pm to LSUBoo
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I've had two projects in the last few years where a low bidder came in WAY lower than anyone else.
In one case, I talked to the low bidder and asked him how confident he was in his bid, made sure he knew the full scope of the project. He had completely left off a large portion of the work and withdrew his bid. Why he was bidding without a full understanding of the work is beyond me, but at least we caught it ahead of time. He would have gone belly up and we'd have had to use his bonding company to finish the job.
In the other case, all the research indicated the company could handle the work, and they were confident in their bid, so we awarded the contract. Job is still going, but there have been no issues and costing 1/3 of the second highest bid.
Thanks for the insight. From an outsider looking in, it's hard for someone to see a 4x gap, but I guess it can happen.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 1:16 pm to LSUBoo
And in case you're wondering why New Orleans continually has problems with their contracting....
They pay their contracts director about $48K a year. So yeah, they intentionally under hire the skillset so politics can manipulate the procurement process.
I'm in the industry, we all know what they do.
They pay their contracts director about $48K a year. So yeah, they intentionally under hire the skillset so politics can manipulate the procurement process.
I'm in the industry, we all know what they do.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 1:18 pm to 50_Tiger
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So whats the legal ramifications of underbidding a project so bad that it makes it seem like this was intentional?
Depends on what kind of entity is cutting the contract. Is it a fedgov, state, local, etc. They all have different T's and C's and different legal ramifications they can pursue.
I'm with LCHBOX in that I doubt this company did too low of a bid in purpose.
The biggest commercial project that I saw go south was when I played a small part of a job that Northrop Grumman was doing at a shipyard building commercial oil freighters.
NG took over the deal when they bought out another company. They ended up eating something like $100 million over the last two ships that were built and delivered.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 1:19 pm to 50_Tiger
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From an outsider looking in, it's hard for someone to see a 4x gap, but I guess it can happen.
It raised a massive red flag, that's for sure. In that case it was a very specific trade, and that company is capable of acting as the manufacturer and installer, whereas other companies would have likely had to subcontract the manufacturing and then install themselves.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 1:19 pm to YoungManOldMan
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Why would you ever submit a bid without a technical review?
I didn't submit one, just received crappy ones.
Mom and pops a lot of the time wanted to step up to some bigger things and just didn't know what they were doing.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 1:20 pm to notiger1997
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They ended up eating something like $100 million over the last two ships that were built and delivered.
Similar job was a case study in grad school having to do with naval vessels and how to approach the situation.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 1:31 pm to 50_Tiger
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So whats the legal ramifications of underbidding a project so bad that it makes it seem like this was intentional?
From my experience working procurement on the government side, there would be no legal ramification for the business underbidding (as in submitting a quote) so much that it seems intentional; however, if you were a contracting officer and signed a contract with this company you could (and should) have your warrant to do business on behalf of the government terminated.
This post was edited on 2/1/18 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 2/1/18 at 2:11 pm to Dire Wolf
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Bourbon street construction nearly 3x over budget
Noooooo, are you sure? Louisiana is usually on time and on budget in everything we do.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 2:23 pm to Dire Wolf
wait till the numbers of the boondoggle airport terminal come in
Posted on 2/1/18 at 2:35 pm to notiger1997
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A good example to see a fcked up government run entity ruin a project is to go back and read about the Jefferson Parish Performing Arts Center. I'm thinking it was something like 2 years late and many times over budget.
Totally Agree
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I don't blame that contractor one bit either.
Why Not? He is always doing the same. Just because he got away with it?
Posted on 2/1/18 at 3:44 pm to Packer
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if you were a contracting officer and signed a contract with this company you could (and should) have your warrant to do business on behalf of the government terminated
Correct and if that Contractor is more than 10% or so below the Independent Government Estimate, they are required to have the Contractor certify their estimate which means "Don't come at me Bro".
This post was edited on 2/1/18 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 2/1/18 at 5:44 pm to JackieTreehorn
Latoya gonna make it better. Haha
Posted on 2/1/18 at 5:52 pm to Dire Wolf
I cannot believe this. No way is the fine efficiently run New Orleans government responsible for this. Must be the Fed's fault
Posted on 2/1/18 at 6:26 pm to Dire Wolf
I know a few people in City Hall, word is everyone knew from the beginning there was no way this project would be finished on time and on budget. However, that occurs with many public sector projects.
I made a steak dinner bet with a friend that the entire project would either run at least 6 months over or at least double the cost when finished. That dinner happened months ago.
Still have an outstanding bet about the airport and costs but I may end up losing that one.
I made a steak dinner bet with a friend that the entire project would either run at least 6 months over or at least double the cost when finished. That dinner happened months ago.
Still have an outstanding bet about the airport and costs but I may end up losing that one.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 7:59 pm to Dire Wolf
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Bourbon strip clubs
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and "lewd acts."
This just doesn't seem possible.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 9:08 pm to Dire Wolf
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She acknowledged that the city has "learned many lessons" by the reconstruction project,
So a 200 year old city is learning lessons in how to reconstruct shite? NICE
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