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re: Bourbon street construction nearly 3x over budget
Posted on 2/1/18 at 12:38 pm to Dire Wolf
Posted on 2/1/18 at 12:38 pm to Dire Wolf
When has anything in louisiana been completed under budget or at the original contract price? This is why La. will always be last in anything that matters to making Life better for residents.
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Posted on 2/1/18 at 12:42 pm to YoungManOldMan
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the city is incompetent to accept a bid 1M under everyone else without vetting everything completely before signing the contract
That's not how bids work. If someome is dumb enough to lowball, they will have to eat it.
All of these unknown issues would have happened regardless of which bidder got the job. This is a failure of planning, and is just another example of Da Bitch rushing to get something started just to have his name on it.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 12:43 pm to FLObserver
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When has anything in louisiana been completed under budget or at the original contract price?
Plenty of times. Stuff like that doesn't make the news though.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 12:43 pm to Ben Hur
Typically, when you're doing work for the city and/or state - you understand that a ton of bullshite will come with it. The original bid is more or less a ticket "in" to the project.
In my past experience, a lot of people would stay the frick away from a project like this unless they really needed the work to avoid temporary layoffs. They typically take up a lot of your time because of all the change order work. And depending on who is in charge, you have to bend over backwards to prove each and every change order or else you will get nickled and dimed to death. It takes a special breed to do these types of jobs. Again, which is why a lot of contractors will stay far, far away from them. It's understood and comes with the territory.
In my past experience, a lot of people would stay the frick away from a project like this unless they really needed the work to avoid temporary layoffs. They typically take up a lot of your time because of all the change order work. And depending on who is in charge, you have to bend over backwards to prove each and every change order or else you will get nickled and dimed to death. It takes a special breed to do these types of jobs. Again, which is why a lot of contractors will stay far, far away from them. It's understood and comes with the territory.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 12:45 pm to LNCHBOX
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That's not how bids work. If someome is dumb enough to lowball, they will have to eat it.
That's not how cost reimbursable contracts work for the government. In the ideal situation, "low ball" bids should raise a red flag that the company is trying to undercut other companies and then change order you to death (this exact situation). It sounds like Hard Rock submitted a completely unrealistic bid in the first place and their bid shouldn't have even been considered.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 12:46 pm to RealityTiger
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In my past experience, a lot of people would stay the frick away from a project like this unless they really needed the work to avoid temporary layoffs. They typically take up a lot of your time because of all the change order work. And depending on who is in charge, you have to bend over backwards to prove each and every change order or else you will get nickled and dimed to death. It takes a special breed to do these types of jobs. Again, which is why a lot of contractors will stay far, far away from them. It's understood and comes with the territory.
Yep, that's why we stick to bridges and large industrial foundations, nowhere near the headache of a political municipal project in an area that has years of undocumented construction occur.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 12:49 pm to Packer
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In the ideal situation, "low ball" bids should raise a red flag that the company is trying to undercut other companies and then change order you to death (this exact situation)
This was never going to be an ideal situation with the shite planning that went into it.
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It sounds like Hard Rock submitted a completely unrealistic bid in the first place and their bid shouldn't have even been considered
They've been nothing but good on the jobs I've done with them. Pretty much the exact opposite of change ordering to death. The failure here is with the city administration.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 12:50 pm to RealityTiger
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my past experience, a lot of people would stay the frick away from a project like this unless they really needed the work to avoid temporary layoffs.
Speaking from professional experience, Given who the contractor is, that ain’t the case here. There’s a brother in law deal involved somewhere.
I once renovated a shuttered high school for less money than it took to do four blocks of Bourbon St. In less time too.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 12:50 pm to Packer
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It sounds like Hard Rock submitted a completely unrealistic bid in the first place and their bid shouldn't have even been considered.
While it is certainly possible to throw out a low bid for just cause, "it's too low" isn't on the list.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 12:51 pm to Dire Wolf
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Dani Galloway, the interim director of the city's Department of Public Works
Has a good bit of that over budget in his pocket
Posted on 2/1/18 at 12:51 pm to LNCHBOX
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That's not how bids work. If someome is dumb enough to lowball, they will have to eat it.
bullshite!
This isn't a firm fixed price bid to go build a commercial building in the public procurement process.
For those interested....
A good example to see a fcked up government run entity ruin a project is to go back and read about the Jefferson Parish Performing Arts Center. I'm thinking it was something like 2 years late and many times over budget. I don't blame that contractor one bit either.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 12:52 pm to Ben Hur
Posted on 2/1/18 at 12:53 pm to notiger1997
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bullshite
I have a job where this very thing is happening right now. Contractor underbid due to not fully understanding what they are doing and are gonna end up with lots of LDs on top of starting out at that lower price.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 12:59 pm to LNCHBOX
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I have a job where this very thing is happening right now.
Maybe so, but I bet your tender process was not the same as what this Bourbon St one was.
And yeah, don't ever expect the city or any other incompetent group to properly quality bidders. If we had someone on both T&M and lump sum who was way lower, we would start digging into details of what their assumptions were on the bid, ie. labor, equipment, rentals, etc, etc.
Sure if they fcked up on a lump sum, we could eat their lunch, but then you might end up with the job not getting done and then a possible litigation situation. Fck that.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 1:01 pm to LNCHBOX
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I have a job where this very thing is happening right now. Contractor underbid due to not fully understanding what they are doing and are gonna end up with lots of LDs on top of starting out at that lower price.
See it all the time
Posted on 2/1/18 at 1:03 pm to Dire Wolf
So whats the legal ramifications of underbidding a project so bad that it makes it seem like this was intentional?
Posted on 2/1/18 at 1:06 pm to 50_Tiger
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So whats the legal ramifications of underbidding a project so bad that it makes it seem like this was intentional?
Is there anyone that actually knows anythung claiming this?
Really asking, not being sarcastic.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 1:07 pm to LNCHBOX
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s there anyone that actually knows anythung claiming this?
Really asking, not being sarcastic.
Lol, I have zero experience in bidding and procurement, but I feel like there should be some type of legal recourse for a bid this shitty
.Posted on 2/1/18 at 1:08 pm to LNCHBOX
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That's not how bids work. If someome is dumb enough to lowball, they will have to eat it.
That's not true, buddy.
Posted on 2/1/18 at 1:11 pm to 50_Tiger
I've had two projects in the last few years where a low bidder came in WAY lower than anyone else.
In one case, I talked to the low bidder and asked him how confident he was in his bid, made sure he knew the full scope of the project. He had completely left off a large portion of the work and withdrew his bid. Why he was bidding without a full understanding of the work is beyond me, but at least we caught it ahead of time. He would have gone belly up and we'd have had to use his bonding company to finish the job.
In the other case, all the research indicated the company could handle the work, and they were confident in their bid, so we awarded the contract. Job is still going, but there have been no issues and costing 1/3 of the second highest bid.
In one case, I talked to the low bidder and asked him how confident he was in his bid, made sure he knew the full scope of the project. He had completely left off a large portion of the work and withdrew his bid. Why he was bidding without a full understanding of the work is beyond me, but at least we caught it ahead of time. He would have gone belly up and we'd have had to use his bonding company to finish the job.
In the other case, all the research indicated the company could handle the work, and they were confident in their bid, so we awarded the contract. Job is still going, but there have been no issues and costing 1/3 of the second highest bid.
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