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re: Boston Globe article on Louisiana compared to New England schools
Posted on 10/1/25 at 6:30 pm to shutterspeed
Posted on 10/1/25 at 6:30 pm to shutterspeed
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The data is based on federal NAEP test scores--the same test taken nationally among select fourth graders and eighth graders and given by federal workers.
Tiger droppings thread on “Demographically Adjusted” test scores
I want the raw scores.
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 6:30 pm to ElShugh84
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shame that you have no ability to distinguish reliable sources from your own inane thoughts.
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Just because someone is poor or black doesn’t mean they can’t learn
Never said that once.
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Given the right resources and supports all students can learn
yeah just throw some money at it. We’ve never done that before. 
Posted on 10/1/25 at 6:38 pm to TeddyPadillac
ACT scores are skewed. For instance Louisiana has a low avg but up until this year all students were required to take it. Whereas, places like the northeast it’s optional so typically only your higher achievers take it.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 6:39 pm to ElShugh84
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Just because someone is poor or black doesn’t mean they can’t learn. Given the right resources and supports all students can learn…even a moron like you.
I 100% agree with you about kids being able to learn. I have some caveats. Show me a middle class or upper middle class school with lots of parental involvement and I’d bet that’s a thriving school. It’s not magic. A struggling community has struggling schools and a thriving community has thriving schools. This is on average. Are there exceptions? Maybe, but for the most part the schools follow these patterns. It’s why people want to live in nice communities and they have good schools in those areas. They aren’t looking for good schools in poor poverty stricken struggling areas with tons of social problems.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 6:39 pm to Sofaking2
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Draw your own conclusions based on that map. You need more data for lower grades.
Isn’t EVERY student in Louisiana required to take the ACT.
Is that the case for the states that you posted to compare Louisiana to?
Posted on 10/1/25 at 6:40 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Geez you’re smart. Lots of big words there. Calm down Nancy. You’re free to think what you want, and so am I. In no way would I not like kids being smarter. If they actually are, then super. You can throw all the “facts” you want at me. I am more than aware of the poor culture in our public school systems in this state, especially in our bigger cities. Doesn’t mattter how you teach anything to them, they don’t give a shite. Hooked on phonics doesn’t fix that.
You’re staggeringly confident in your ignorance. It would take you less than five minutes of research to see how much of a sea change this is.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 6:40 pm to ElShugh84
No one is talking about throwing more money at the problem. It’s money spent in the right ways. You can spend 20k per kid and get no return or you can spend half of that and get legit outcomes.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 6:45 pm to Sofaking2
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I 100% agree with you about kids being able to learn. I have some caveats. Show me a middle class or upper middle class school with lots of parental involvement and I’d bet that’s a thriving school. It’s not magic. A struggling community has struggling schools and a thriving community has thriving schools. This is on average. Are there exceptions? Maybe, but for the most part the schools follow these patterns. It’s why people want to live in nice communities and they have good schools in those areas. They aren’t looking for good schools in poor poverty stricken struggling areas with tons of social problems.
Completely agree but there’s lots of exceptions. There’s a meta analysis by John Hattie that basically shows you all the things that help and hurt kids. Will socioeconomics and home life have a big impact they are able to be overcome with the right approaches.
There’s also a famous study that I want to say is the 90/90/90 study. Examples of schools with 90% poverty, 90% minority but achieve higher than 90% of schools.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 6:47 pm to ElShugh84
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ACT scores are skewed. For instance Louisiana has a low avg but up until this year all students were required to take it. Whereas, places like the northeast it’s optional so typically only your higher achievers take it.
99% of kids in LA take the ACT. In Connecticut 98% take the SAT. The SAT is regarded as more difficult. We can break this down more. You do make a good point. My only point is we need like for like when comparing states. I don’t want any of this “demographically adjusted” nonsense. If you want to talk about purposely skewing scores, that’s it.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 6:51 pm to jimmy the leg
See above. In Connecticut 98% of kids take the SAT. In Louisiana they do have some kids who don’t take the ACT. These are special ed students. So it’s more like 99% but your point is taken. My point is how can you compare any data that’s demographically adjusted? You can’t. You need raw scores and a similar sample size from the states. Do we have that? It’s sounds like we don’t. So the very thing you say I am doing is what the people doing these studies are doing. It’s not like for like test results based on a level sample size.
This post was edited on 10/1/25 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 10/1/25 at 6:51 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Knowing that, and knowing the demographics of this state and its poverty level, I don’t believe this report on literacy.
The state benchmarking has always been demographically adjusted. It is a measure of the results of teaching efforts and methods. MS and LA have skyrocketed in those benchmarks. Like a tracking poll that has used the same methodology for decades.
We all agree that no matter the efforts, there is a demographic that will not increase in achievement.
In an effort to get a clear picture of how well the teachable kids are doing and the teaching methods are working, they adjust for this particular measurement.
The southern states will on total always have a scoring problem due to our demographics. That doesn’t mean that our improvements in phonics based ELA methods haven’t turned around reading levels in a huge way
This post was edited on 10/1/25 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 10/1/25 at 6:54 pm to ElShugh84
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There’s also a famous study that I want to say is the 90/90/90 study. Examples of schools with 90% poverty, 90% minority but achieve higher than 90% of schools.
Isolated studies. Not necessarily applicable to large areas and populations. I’m not saying don’t try. Of course you do everything we can do. It’s much easier to do in a thriving community.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 7:00 pm to RaginCajunz
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The southern states will on total always have a scoring problem due to our demographics. That doesn’t mean that our improvements in phonics based ELA methods haven’t turned around reading levels in a huge way
Absolutely, these are good conversations. We need to praise the growth being made. Louisiana and Mississippi are working very hard and it is helping. I still moved to the best community I could afford with the best schools I could find. I’d be willing to best most people like me middle/upper middle class do the same thing. Having a school in a thriving area it’s much easier to predict outcomes. It’s a free country people are free to do as they please. It worked out for my kids.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 7:11 pm to Sofaking2
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Absolutely, these are good conversations. We need to praise the growth being made. Louisiana and Mississippi are working very hard and it is helping. I still moved to the best community I could afford with the best schools I could find. I’d be willing to best most people like me middle/upper middle class do the same thing. Having a school in a thriving area it’s much easier to predict outcomes. It’s a free country people are free to do as they please. It worked out for my kids.
The issue with reading in particular is that, for the last couple of decades, even “good” schools in wealthy areas have likely been teaching reading wrong. In fact, they tended to be the first to jump onto the whole language trend as “cutting edge” and among the last to surrender. Some just can’t admit that they were wrong; some can’t admit that Bush was right over a decade ago.
We have a host of problems in our schools, and culture and parental accountability are huge components of that. But reading has its own problem separate and apart from that, and thank frick, we are finally pulling our heads out of our asses and fixing it.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 7:14 pm to Shexter
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lowest adult literacy rate
ranking fourth graders
How is an elementary education program going to benefit adults.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 7:19 pm to Adam Banks
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This post was edited on 10/1/25 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 10/1/25 at 7:21 pm to TeddyPadillac
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And I don’t believe you, or wherever you’re getting your news from.
Read dis dick teddy
Posted on 10/1/25 at 7:21 pm to BigGreenTiger
quote:Makes you feel good to shite on it, doesn't it?
Mississippi making major gains is still well below the national avg
Posted on 10/1/25 at 7:21 pm to Sofaking2
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I want the raw scores.
You can follow the links in the tweet from the thread you linked to see that in the unadjusted scores Mississippi is 9th and Louisiana is tied for 14th, while being 1 and 2 in adjusted as was discussed in that thread.
But by all means, rage on.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 7:30 pm to Sofaking2
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99% of kids in LA take the ACT. In Connecticut 98% take the SAT. The SAT is regarded as more difficult.
It’s not more difficult. It is more competitive. The SAT is the test elite schools prefer, so every top student takes it. When I was in school, you took the ACT if you received poor scores on the SAT.
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