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re: Bosses’ opinions of remote work changing quickly
Posted on 6/27/23 at 1:59 pm to concrete_tiger
Posted on 6/27/23 at 1:59 pm to concrete_tiger
literally nothing i can say will convince you to see it my way, so there is no point in trying. i work better with other people, in person. i get that not everyone does. i get that some people want to work from home. i'll take an in person meeting over a teams call 100 times out of 100. but i'm a people person. not everyone else is.
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Posted on 6/27/23 at 1:59 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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This is one of the shittiest things in corporate America. Its socialism. It rewards the people who are content doing the minimum and punishes those who pull weight outside of their "lane"
No it doesn’t. It protects the high achievers from the clowns who hide on a team and don’t pull their weight.
If your goals don’t reflect your workload explain the difference to your boss and see what they say. You might be surprised that they either update your goals based on the feedback or explain that they view that effort as not an effective use of time and you would be better off doing other things if you want to be viewed as a high achiever.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 2:01 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:No it isn’t. The issue is the manager is setting weak goals for employees and not properly aligning it with what the company needs
The issue is the manager works from hone.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 2:01 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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on paper, sure In reality? Not really
Are there intangibles for every role? Sure.
Your 80% core job function? Absolutely.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 2:07 pm to Sam Quint
quote:Not a terribly convincing argument, to be honest.
sometimes that IS the needed contribution. just being available in person.
What are they accountable for in the office that they are not from home?
Posted on 6/27/23 at 2:13 pm to shel311
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What are they accountable for in the office that they are not from home?
when an unexpcted problem arises and a fire needs to be put out, i can walk out of my office and say YOU, YOU, YOU, and YOU let's huddle up real quick, here's the problem, let's hash out a solution. we can be done with the meeting and actioning the problem in half the time it would take just to get everyone on a teams call.
i'm sure you'll tell me i'm wrong, how great teams is, and how quickly you can TEAM ASSEMBLE on there, but that jsut has not been my experience. maybe it works better for you, and that's fine.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:15 pm to Sam Quint
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sometimes that IS the needed contribution. just being available in person.
Unless you're turning a wrench, I don't get this argument.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:19 pm to Sam Quint
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when an unexpcted problem arises and a fire needs to be put out, i can walk out of my office and say YOU, YOU, YOU, and YOU let's huddle up real quick, here's the problem, let's hash out a solution. we can be done with the meeting and actioning the problem in half the time it would take just to get everyone on a teams call.
i'm sure you'll tell me i'm wrong, how great teams is, and how quickly you can TEAM ASSEMBLE on there, but that jsut has not been my experience. maybe it works better for you, and that's fine.
Sounds like there is no expectation to be available when needed. Again, that isn't a working from home issue, that's a management/expectation issue.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:25 pm to TejasHorn
I don't get these stories (and there have been a real flood of them lately).
If yours is a service or knowledge-based business, and remote work decreases productivity, then you have a problem that's larger than remote work. Either your people don't know what to do, or they feel they don't need to do it.
My company has been 100% remote since early 2020, and it works well because we've all got plenty of shite to do and it all has a deadline.
If yours is a service or knowledge-based business, and remote work decreases productivity, then you have a problem that's larger than remote work. Either your people don't know what to do, or they feel they don't need to do it.
My company has been 100% remote since early 2020, and it works well because we've all got plenty of shite to do and it all has a deadline.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:33 pm to Sam Quint
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i'm sure you'll tell me i'm wrong, how great teams is, and how quickly you can TEAM ASSEMBLE on there, but that jsut has not been my experience. maybe it works better for you, and that's fine.
The SO is in IT security and has been doing WFH long before COVID.
If they have an issue comes up that requires a bridge (meeting) they simply put it in their group messaging app and folks hop on.
You’re making this sound far more complicated than it is. If you have a good system (and we’re not talking micromanaging either), it’s not an issue .
This post was edited on 6/27/23 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:36 pm to TejasHorn
Remote work is NOT done. It may be for some stuck in the mud, but for many industries/companies they will still employ it in some way, shape or form. Maybe a hybrid model. This is just the beginning. With that said, some positions are not really built for remote work. For those that it can apply, it will still. Cannot put the cat back into the bag.
Just because some people cannot self regulate, does not mean all of us cannot.
Just because some people cannot self regulate, does not mean all of us cannot.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:41 pm to Sam Quint
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when an unexpcted problem arises and a fire needs to be put out, i can walk out of my office and say YOU, YOU, YOU, and YOU let's huddle up real quick, here's the problem, let's hash out a solution. we can be done with the meeting and actioning the problem in half the time it would take just to get everyone on a teams call.
i'm sure you'll tell me i'm wrong, how great teams is, and how quickly you can TEAM ASSEMBLE on there, but that jsut has not been my experience. maybe it works better for you, and that's fine.
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I feel like every single reason I've seen against WFH is an issue with company processes and/or management knowledge and not actually WFH
This post was edited on 6/27/23 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:50 pm to TejasHorn
Good workers anywhere are good workers everywhere
Lazy travels to and from the office
Most people are in between and just need good structure and leadership no matter where they’re at
Lazy travels to and from the office
Most people are in between and just need good structure and leadership no matter where they’re at
Posted on 6/27/23 at 4:15 pm to Sam Quint
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but i'm a people person. not everyone else is.
Explain who the people are on the teams call, if not people? Do you only talk to people if you are facing them, in the same room? I mean, are you slapping arse and harrassing female co-workers or what? I think there's some element that is missing here.
This post was edited on 6/27/23 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 6/27/23 at 4:26 pm to LNCHBOX
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You literally do nothing but post here all day every day. You can do that shite anywhere.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 4:32 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:And the "industry" is pissed about it. The commercial real estate folks are pissed, office furniture companies are pissed, office supply companies are pissed, stationery and business material companies are pissed.
Covid really majorly fricked up the office environment.
I saw the thread last week where it claimed WFH folks spent about 3hrs/day spent on shopping online and goofing off. The "statistic" originated from and office furniture manufacturing company.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 4:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I'd love to read some of the posts on this subject in the very near future when jobs are being axed due to tech.
Mine won't be.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 4:47 pm to TejasHorn
Duke, can I have your Fortune magazine login so I can read the article?
Posted on 6/27/23 at 4:47 pm to GRTiger
quote:No, the majority of the companies that lease office space act as a third party broker. They get a % commission based off the total income generated for the term of a lease agreement.
I'll go out on a limb and guess that the vast majority of companies that lease office space don't own the company that leases it to them.
The larger firms in Birmingham, i.e. Harbert Realty, Colliers, EGS, JH Berry, Southpace to name a few have been struggling since covid. Prime, class A office space is plentiful and rental rates are low in the Birmingham metro and those firms have had a hard time back filling sqft.
Hell, landlords/owners are footing 100% of the bill to build out custom office space for tenants + giving 3-6 months free rent as inducements to sign long term leases. It's a rough time.
This post was edited on 6/27/23 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 6/27/23 at 5:01 pm to concrete_tiger
quote:Unless it's something that requires manual labor, I see no difference at all.
I can see every person I work with on screen right now and their status. I can message them or call them, instantly. We can talk. I can see their face. We can work in the same document. We can add others to the call.
What does being in the same office add?
One of BIL's works for Georgia Pacific, he's a supervisor in a paper mill and he has to be on site to do his job as well as everyone else that works there. My sister is a director of nursing compliance for senior care facilities across 5 states, she works 100% from home.
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