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re: Bosses’ opinions of remote work changing quickly
Posted on 6/27/23 at 1:19 pm to TejasHorn
Posted on 6/27/23 at 1:19 pm to TejasHorn
Time will tell, it's working great for us, and the vendors and customers I speak with daily. We go in for 1 week per month, and it's the most unproductive week of the month.
Only one of our customers has gone back to the office, but not even in all locations. (Walmart) It's just a different world. The tools are here, and employees are happier than ever having a true work life balance.
I know many on this board have shitty jobs and get hard-ons about this topic, but if you really wanted... you could find a job that makes you happier.
Only one of our customers has gone back to the office, but not even in all locations. (Walmart) It's just a different world. The tools are here, and employees are happier than ever having a true work life balance.
I know many on this board have shitty jobs and get hard-ons about this topic, but if you really wanted... you could find a job that makes you happier.
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Posted on 6/27/23 at 1:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I'm betting a larger pctg are glad they don't have to deal with them. WFH makes a bosses work easy.
i'm on the record on many threads as being against WFH. however this "makes a boss's work easy" point is interesting. part of the WFH thing i have a problem with is the lack of accountability. but if, across the board, a manager is given the autonomy to fire someone for job performance without having to have four documented cases of poor performance, legal review, a legal review of the legal review, and a supreme court challenge, then i think it makes more sense.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 1:21 pm to Epic Cajun
My projects either get done or they don’t
I either bring in new clients or I don’t
Working on the moon or working in an office doesn’t change this. I’m assuming people that take such issue with WFH have factory type jobs?
I either bring in new clients or I don’t
Working on the moon or working in an office doesn’t change this. I’m assuming people that take such issue with WFH have factory type jobs?
This post was edited on 6/27/23 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 6/27/23 at 1:22 pm to Crowknowsbest
quote:Raymond James does all of their training in person, from my experience. We have to go into the office 8 days per month and the rest is from home if you’d like. But training, no matter if it’s 3 weeks or months, is done in person. They even fly people into the home office for training even if they’re going to be working from home and based out of another state.
Training of new employees, especially younger ones, is a huge issue that is routinely ignored by the WFH-only folks.
I could see training remotely being an issue. And I’ve noticed a significant percentage of the young people in our department do as little as possible when working from home.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 1:24 pm to lsupride87
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I’m assuming people that take such issue with WFH have factory type jobs?
In my case, rely on people who now work from home and are noticeably less productive than they used to be.
They are performing within the metrics set by their management (who has no clue what goes on at ground level) so they get rewarded for it and encouraged to keep doing it
Posted on 6/27/23 at 1:24 pm to TejasHorn
I am free to WFH if I wish, but I choose not too. I like to talk in person with my coworkers, shoot the shite a bit, and go on walk breaks.
WFH 5 days a week took a mental tole on me for sure and I put on 30lbs in the Window where I WFH exclusively. I think it's important from a mental health standpoint to separate work life from home life. That was the killer for me.
WFH 5 days a week took a mental tole on me for sure and I put on 30lbs in the Window where I WFH exclusively. I think it's important from a mental health standpoint to separate work life from home life. That was the killer for me.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 1:26 pm to Kansas City King
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I like to talk in person with my coworkers, shoot the shite a bit, and go on walk breaks.WFH 5 days a week took a mental tole on me for sure and I put on 30lbs in the Window where I WFH exclusively. I think it's important from a mental health standpoint to separate work life from home life. That was the killer for me.
Literally everything you listed is solved by joining a gym.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 1:34 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:Thats a management issue, not a work from home issue
They are performing within the metrics set by their management (who has no clue what goes on at ground level) so they get rewarded for it and encouraged to keep doing it
Posted on 6/27/23 at 1:39 pm to TejasHorn
sure, if you are a lazy a-hole and show no responsibility working from home. I for one am WAY more efficient from home than I ever was in the office - less coworker interference.
I can see where i am probly in the smaller percentage of responsible workers in regards to WFH - which sucks, because others will likely ruin it for me
I can see where i am probly in the smaller percentage of responsible workers in regards to WFH - which sucks, because others will likely ruin it for me
Posted on 6/27/23 at 1:42 pm to lsupride87
The issue is the manager works from hone.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 1:44 pm to Sam Quint
quote:I don't follow?
part of the WFH thing i have a problem with is the lack of accountability
What are you not accountable for when WFH that you are accountable for in the office? Is your job description and daily duties not the same for WFH or in the office? Is he work productivity and quality measurements different for employees who do and don't WFH?
Is your issue less with WFH and more so with poor company processes to track productivity and employee effectiveness?
This post was edited on 6/27/23 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 6/27/23 at 1:46 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:I feel like every single reason I've seen against WFH is an issue with company processes and/or management knowledge and not actually WFH
In my case, rely on people who now work from home and are noticeably less productive than they used to be.
They are performing within the metrics set by their management (who has no clue what goes on at ground level)
This post was edited on 6/27/23 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 6/27/23 at 1:48 pm to shel311
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part of the WFH thing i have a problem with is the lack of accountability
I don't follow?
What are you not accountable for when WFH that you are accountable for in the office? Is your job description and daily duties not the same for WFH or in the office?
Is your issue less with WFH and more so with poor company processes to track productivity and employee effectiveness?
That's what I don't get. It's as if many here don't actually "Do" anything that generates output. Their contribution is "being there."
If I don't do my job, it's obvious. It's shiat that has to be done. If I choose to do it at 3am at the beach or 3pm at my desk, who gives a frick?
Sir, here's the Annual Recap Report, and believe me... I typed it all from my desk, you'll notice it by the quality of the bytes.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 1:50 pm to concrete_tiger
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Their contribution is "being there."
sometimes that IS the needed contribution. just being available in person.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 1:52 pm to TejasHorn
I'm a boss and I don't mind it. Just depends on your team. Worked out for me today as my water heater decided to start leaking. Was able to swap it out between meetings.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 1:53 pm to concrete_tiger
One thing we noticed immediately was how Teams allows people to instantly meet and collaborate, and move from one meeting to the next.
In the office... meetings run long, people have to walk to the office, people chat, people pee... and meetings start late.
We also found that there's not nearly enough meeting space to be as collaborative in person as on Teams. You can't find a room or space to meet. Teams and being remote increases collaboration many many many many fold.
If you work with people that don't like being around other people, you get so much MORE from them. They are far more willing to collaborate where they are comfortable. I only care about the output, I don't care about forcing an introvert to change who they are.
I agree with all the posters above me, though.
1. your company has flaws that are being exposed if it's not working
2. CRE investors are going to be flooding the news with propaganda
In the office... meetings run long, people have to walk to the office, people chat, people pee... and meetings start late.
We also found that there's not nearly enough meeting space to be as collaborative in person as on Teams. You can't find a room or space to meet. Teams and being remote increases collaboration many many many many fold.
If you work with people that don't like being around other people, you get so much MORE from them. They are far more willing to collaborate where they are comfortable. I only care about the output, I don't care about forcing an introvert to change who they are.
I agree with all the posters above me, though.
1. your company has flaws that are being exposed if it's not working
2. CRE investors are going to be flooding the news with propaganda
Posted on 6/27/23 at 1:53 pm to TejasHorn
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Remote workers put in 3.5 hours less per day of work compared to in-person workers
Zero truth in this. People who have work to do will do it. Perhaps they need more work to do.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 1:55 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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The issue is that these are not everyone's performance metrics in big companies and it breeds bloat, contempt, laziness, poor performance, and rewards the sucky people.
If those are the metrics, working from home is fine. Its self solving. People will work from home were appropriate and show up when appropriate.
If your job is purely internal and not tied directly to the customer and revenue stream, it gets wayyyyyy more complicated.
I specifically say clients and profit, but all business generally provide some kind of product or service to a customer or client and need to make a profit to stay in business.
It sounds like you're talking about overhead/administration personnel; i.e. overhead jobs. That does fall on upper management to decide if those jobs are worth it even when the cost is covered by profitable work. There should still be some kind of benchmarks even for overhead/admin jobs and it shouldn't be particularly difficult to pin down who's pulling their weight and who isn't.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 1:56 pm to chrome_daddy
i'll say this about where i work, we have sort of found a nice hybrid. the standard and expectation is that we are in the office. however, WFH is an option on an as-needed basis. for instance, if my wife has to work and we cant find childcare for whatever reason during the summer, i can WFH instead of burning a day of leave. if someone is dealing with some sort of personal issues or isnt feeling well but doesnt want to go sit at medical all morning, we'll give them a day or two WFH. i find this to be a pretty good set-up that actually requires a little MORE of a leader, because it's not an all or nothing and requires some actual management.
i dont think either an ALWAYS AT HOME TO WORK or ALWAYS IN THE OFFICE NO MATTER WHAT are the right answer to this
i dont think either an ALWAYS AT HOME TO WORK or ALWAYS IN THE OFFICE NO MATTER WHAT are the right answer to this
Posted on 6/27/23 at 1:56 pm to Sam Quint
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Their contribution is "being there."
sometimes that IS the needed contribution. just being available in person.
I can see every person I work with on screen right now and their status. I can message them or call them, instantly. We can talk. I can see their face. We can work in the same document. We can add others to the call.
What does being in the same office add?
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