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re: Boeing is no longer good at making flying things

Posted on 12/22/19 at 8:56 am to
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
30208 posts
Posted on 12/22/19 at 8:56 am to
It turns out getting stuff to space is hard and new rocket designs rarely work on their first test. Who knew?

This post was edited on 12/22/19 at 8:59 am
Posted by 24nights
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Member since Apr 2012
5351 posts
Posted on 12/22/19 at 9:27 am to
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BOEING'S SPACECRAFT TO carry humans to the International Space Station will be forced to come back to Earth without docking

So the band has to stay up there? Dam, this is not how we get a reunion tour.
This post was edited on 12/22/19 at 10:12 am
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
50845 posts
Posted on 12/22/19 at 9:34 am to
it landed safely on land today with the test dummy intact in the pilot seat
Posted by NASA_ISS_Tiger
Huntsville, Al via Sulphur, LA
Member since Sep 2005
8253 posts
Posted on 12/22/19 at 10:10 pm to
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Holy shite we have an actual rocket surgeon on this board?


Nope just an avionics engineer.
Posted by NASA_ISS_Tiger
Huntsville, Al via Sulphur, LA
Member since Sep 2005
8253 posts
Posted on 12/22/19 at 10:14 pm to
Look...all I'll say is Boeing can't deliver anything right the first time. Everything has to have Change Requests and Engineering Change Orders to everything they do. They are of the "Deliver whatever you have on time and if it don't work we'll charge NASA to fix it" mentality. When ISS was being constructed there were tons of delays that were costly. There was a system called Active Rack Isolation System on ISS...never did work on it's own. By the time they got it to work NASA cancelled it.

SLS is very similar. There's issues with quality, not following procedures, not even having procedures, etc. There's so many changes coming up for the 2nd Flight, the first one really is just a public affairs thing.
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
Member since Jan 2009
34299 posts
Posted on 12/22/19 at 10:19 pm to
Their craft can fly just fine. They just don’t know wtf they’re doing while they fly.
Posted by yankeeundercover
Buffalo, NY
Member since Jan 2010
36419 posts
Posted on 12/22/19 at 10:33 pm to
Well, if you think about it, in the grand scheme of things, it’s similar to someone getting pissed off that it takes ~1min to load a website on their phone.

“Damn it, boys... we launched a rocket into fricking space and missed our target by just a little bit... oh well, let’s just head on home”

I don’t recall which movie, but someone was explaining how “space targeting trajectory” works while holding a basketball and said something along the lines of “See this ball? Its like this is the Earth... and we’re aiming at a target on very tip of a pin across the room and can’t be off more than a few hundredths of a percent of accuracy”

+5 internets for whoever knows what movie I’m talking about....
This post was edited on 12/22/19 at 10:34 pm
Posted by Reservoir dawg
Member since Oct 2013
15168 posts
Posted on 12/22/19 at 11:25 pm to
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Because Boomers are retiring and Millenials are stupid and lazy.


This

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Expect the decline in quality to continue in many manufacturing fields


And this
Posted by Rooskie
MN
Member since Oct 2019
643 posts
Posted on 12/22/19 at 11:43 pm to
The first female guided rocket messed up the directions and got lost.

Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
24679 posts
Posted on 12/23/19 at 5:34 am to
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I seem to remember a lot of videos of rockets exploding during their testing phase back in the day.


Yeah that was in the movie "The Right Stuff". I can envision the latest group of astronauts chosen by Nasa at the launch pad to watch their vehicle, the Boeing Starliner veer off in the wrong direction. They likely have the same look the astronauts had depicted in The Right Stuff. Spam in a can!
This post was edited on 12/23/19 at 6:14 am
Posted by bamagreycoat
Member since Oct 2012
5749 posts
Posted on 12/23/19 at 5:47 am to
Lockheed Martin is superior to Boeing and the Skunk Works operations too. I know because I was heavily involved in black budget projects reverse engineering captured Extra Terrestrial technology.
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
32887 posts
Posted on 12/23/19 at 5:57 am to
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I don’t recall which movie, but someone was explaining how “space targeting trajectory” works while holding a basketball and said something along the lines of “See this ball? Its like this is the Earth... and we’re aiming at a target on very tip of a pin across the room and can’t be off more than a few hundredths of a percent of accuracy” +5 internets for whoever knows what movie I’m talking about....


Apollo 13?
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
48182 posts
Posted on 12/23/19 at 5:57 am to
The millennials designing this shite have to find time between video games to get a little work done and this is the end result.
Posted by NASA_ISS_Tiger
Huntsville, Al via Sulphur, LA
Member since Sep 2005
8253 posts
Posted on 12/23/19 at 6:55 am to
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Lockheed Martin is superior to Boeing and the Skunk Works operations too. I know because I was heavily involved in black budget projects reverse engineering captured Extra Terrestrial technology.


Superior? Maybe "better than" but going as far as saying "superior" lends to the belief they are magnitudes better than Boeing. I worked for LockMar in Houston. They had their share of failures and "D'oh" moments too.

No aerospace company is flawless. Especially those who continue to hire astronauts to run program offices and the like. Astronauts are test pilots and former military with a few scientists...they are not program managers. With incompetent management, any company will have issues.
Posted by BurtReynoldsMustache
Member since Sep 2010
4837 posts
Posted on 12/23/19 at 7:55 am to
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Boomer’s parents would get it up there, docked and back home with nothing more than a pencil and a slide rule.


Fixed it for you.
Posted by Placebeaux
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Member since Jun 2008
51852 posts
Posted on 12/23/19 at 8:28 am to
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The first female guided rocket messed up the directions and got lost.


At least it wasn't too stubborn to ask for directions
Posted by Mizz-SEC
Inbred Huntin' In The SEC
Member since Jun 2013
23231 posts
Posted on 12/23/19 at 8:37 am to
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Because Boomers are retiring and Millenials are stupid and lazy.


My daughter's FIL worked at Boeing and said management had the bright idea to buy out all the senior employees so they could shed their higher salaries with entry level workers.

They tried to train the newbies but he said most of the plebs were more interested in playing on their phones than learning. The geezers retire and a few months later management realizes their entry levels not only can't do the job, they don't GAF if they meet the deadlines to get planes out.

They beg the old guys to come back and are largely told Oh well.
Posted by bamagreycoat
Member since Oct 2012
5749 posts
Posted on 12/23/19 at 8:52 am to
I know you know I’m full of shite I don’t know which company is superior to the other but I do firmly believe Lockheed Martin and that Skunk Works operation has their hands on technology that would blow the minds of 88% of the american population. I bet they’ve made air craft that would look like ET technology that is totally ours. We’d swear we were seeing other worldly technology.
Posted by Buckeye Backer
Columbus, Ohio
Member since Aug 2009
9523 posts
Posted on 12/23/19 at 9:24 am to
Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg just resigned....FINALLY!!!

Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
TeamBunt General Manager
Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 12/23/19 at 9:34 am to
Can’t believe it took them that long.
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