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re: Board recommends parole for former Manson follower Leslie Van Houten
Posted on 4/15/16 at 10:44 am to Jim Rockford
Posted on 4/15/16 at 10:44 am to Jim Rockford
Should stay where she is. Giver her TD access but only let her view rebeloke threads.
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Posted on 4/15/16 at 10:45 am to Jorts R Us
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Giver her TD access but only let her view rebeloke threads
There is a constitutional prohibition against "cruel and unusual" punishment and that would certainly fit, IMHO.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 10:50 am to biglego
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She'll just sit in a cell on taxpayer dime.
Then calculate how much taxpayers pay per year & she is billed directly. If she can't pay, "work off", or survive on donations up to that amount then she receives outdoor shelter, bread, water and nothing else.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 10:51 am to Jim Rockford
If they were to parole any of them, Van Houten is the one to parole.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 11:27 am to TheCaterpillar
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Trying to find it right now, but he said Manson was incredibly nice in jail and was super popular.
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AROUND THE NATION; Manson Is Set Ablaze By Inmate in California
AP
Published: September 26, 1984
VACAVILLE, Calif., Sept. 25— Charles Manson, sentenced as a mass killer, was drenched with paint thinner and set on fire today by a fellow inmate who said Mr. Manson threatened him because of the inmate's membership in the Hare Krishna religious sect, the authorities said.
Mr. Manson, serving a life sentence in the slayings of the actress Sharon Tate and eight others in a cult murder, was treated for second- and third-degree burns in the prison infirmary and was in good condition, said Bob Gore, a spokesman for the State Corrections Department.
Mr. Manson, 48 years old, was in the hobby shop of the California Medical Facility, the state's prison for psychiatric prisoners, when he was attacked by an inmate identified as Jan Holmstrom, 36, who is serving a life term for second-degree murder. Mr. Manson suffered burns over 18 percent of his body, concentrated on his face, scalp and hands, Mr. Gore said.
Mr. Gore said Mr. Holmstrom told officers that Mr. Manson had threatened him for Mr. Holmstrom's religious beliefs.
Sounds nice and popular to me.
This post was edited on 4/15/16 at 11:28 am
Posted on 4/15/16 at 11:50 am to CadesCove
I doubt she is a threat to society but that matters little. Life is life. She needs to take her last breath behind bars.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 11:50 am to TheCaterpillar
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I think most of his followers were just weak, stupid people he brainwashed. Still very guilty of their crimes, but I think 46 years and an impeccable life since then is reason enough to let an elderly harmless lady out of jail and off the tax payers dime.
Nah. Life is life. Let her rot. She will take up a spot in a halfway house somewhere that could be used for someone less reprehensible. Until she writes a book and becomes famous and maybe rich for being infamous.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 11:51 am to dukke v
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Life is life
oops.
I stole your line without knowing it.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 12:49 pm to saintsfan1977
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If Manson can convince people he is a supreme being he should be studied further. Unless a man can levitate, actually walk on water that is deeper than 3ft he doesn't deserve worship.
Manson was just a charismatic con man. He was cunning and a shrewd judge of human nature. The only difference between him and a guy running a Ponzi scheme is he got his kicks from convincing people to kill for him instead of convincing them to hand over their money.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 2:36 pm to Jim Rockford
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Manson was just a charismatic con man.
It's easy to dismiss it this way, but that's overly simplistic. Of course he was these things, but more.
Essentially, he was the "old" guy in the hippie group, had been in the joint, etc., had a few low-level musical connections, so these younger hippies - 6 to 10 years younger than him - looked up to him to begin with. Add that, this charisma you suggest, his "charm" and ability to run short and long cons, plus access to drugs - what happened was, he was the leader of a secular cult. A secular, drug and sex fueled "hippie" cult. And ultimately, to keep it going, he had to give them a purpose. I don't know how much he believed it, or how much the drugs damaged his brain. Maybe he was an undiagnosed schizophrenic and the drugs pushed him over the edge.
But, whatever he said, those folks took as gospel. If he said the sky was red, G-ddammit, they believed the sky was red and that everyone and their eyes had been lying to them all their lives.
So, whatever else he was, he was an extremely successful cult leader, for however short a period of time he was able to run it. His face is on t-shirts and major rock bands will occasionally perform his songs - and he's been locked up for murder for almost half a century.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 3:21 pm to Jim Rockford
Let her stay and try to influence others from her jail cell.
She probably has been rehabilitated but the brutality and heartlessness of her crimes need to be punished in such a way that it is an example to others. She is no longer issue.
She probably has been rehabilitated but the brutality and heartlessness of her crimes need to be punished in such a way that it is an example to others. She is no longer issue.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 3:37 pm to biglego
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There's a recent documentary filmed in Angola and it portrays the elderly and terminal inmates. Guys who've been in prison for 50 years. its truly pathetic: They've been punished, everyone they know and loved had died or forgotten about them, they are feeble and harmless and expenive too Bc elderly people have medical needs that, like it or not, the government WILL pay for.
"Brooks was Here" comes to mind.
Does she even want to get out? Brooks didn't. I know it's not about what she wants, but at this point, what is a few more years anyway? Let her die in jail.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 3:40 pm to Jim Rockford
She deserves to die imo.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 3:42 pm to Ace Midnight
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I don't know how much he believed it, or how much the drugs damaged his brain. Maybe he was an undiagnosed schizophrenic and the drugs pushed him over the edge.
He believed in helter skelter enough to plan and brutally murder people.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 3:44 pm to dgnx6
if only southern states had true life sentencing laws like california ...
Posted on 4/15/16 at 3:58 pm to biglego
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the public isn't being protected. It's not deterring any future thugs. It's doing nothing.
Beg to differ.
excerpts:
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Lawrence Bernard "Larry" Singleton (July 28, 1927 – December 28, 2001)[6] was an American criminal known for perpetrating an infamous rape and mutilation of an adolescent hitch-hiker in California in 1978. Released from prison after serving only eight years of his fourteen-year sentence, he went on to murder a second woman, for which he was sentenced to death in 1997. He died in 2001 of natural causes before the sentence could be carried out.
On September 29, 1978, Singleton picked up 15-year-old Mary Vincent of Las Vegas while she was hitchhiking in Berkeley, California, raped her, and then severed both her forearms with a hatchet and threw her off a 30-foot cliff outside of Modesto, California, leaving her naked and near death. She managed to pull herself back up the cliff and alert a passerby
Singleton returned to his native Florida after his release. In 1990, he was twice convicted of theft. He served a 60-day sentence for stealing a $10 disposable camera in spring 1990 and in the winter received a two-year prison term for stealing a $3 hat. Before his sentencing for the latter crime, he described himself to the judge as "a confused, muddleheaded old man".[15]
In the spring of 1997, a neighbor called police to report Singleton assaulting a woman in his home. When police responded, they found the body of Roxanne Hayes; she had been stabbed multiple times in the upper body.[16] Hayes was a mother of three and worked as a prostitute.[17]
Edit: Singleton was 74 when he died, so he was 70-71 when he murdered the second time.
Van Houten has already received her "break." Her sentence was commuted to life, along with every other person on death row, when the SC outlawed the death penalty. Now she wants out of prison altogether.
No.
This post was edited on 4/15/16 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 4/15/16 at 4:01 pm to Jim Rockford
I'm ok with it...
I was wondering her age, thought maybe 75+
66 is good tho.
Repented, paid the price...
I was wondering her age, thought maybe 75+
66 is good tho.
Repented, paid the price...
Posted on 4/15/16 at 4:10 pm to retired trucker
Her being killed wouldn't even be her paying the price. She deserves worse than that.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 4:45 pm to Jim Rockford
Absolutely not. Some crimes are so horrible that the defendant simply never deserves to be in free society again. She and all of the Manson followers fit that category.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 4:51 pm to biglego
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There's a recent documentary filmed in Angola and it portrays the elderly and terminal inmates. Guys who've been in prison for 50 years. its truly pathetic: They've been punished, everyone they know and loved had died or forgotten about them, they are feeble and harmless and expenive too Bc elderly people have medical needs that, like it or not, the government WILL pay for.
You think the government isn't going to have to pay for their healthcare after they get out? As you said, they're elderly and everyone they know has either died or forgot about them. What do you think they are going to do when they get out. The don't have a house, a job, a car. They have nothing. They are going to live on the government dime the rest of their lives.
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