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re: Blinking meme guy Chernobyl documentary
Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:39 am to GetCocky11
Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:39 am to GetCocky11
I thought this was an interesting article (previously shared on the Movie/TV board thread about the HBO documentary) for anyone who might be interested.
Forbes Article - "The Reason They Fictionalize Nuclear Disasters Like Chernobyl Is Because They Kill So Few People"
A few points that stood out to me from the article:
Forbes Article - "The Reason They Fictionalize Nuclear Disasters Like Chernobyl Is Because They Kill So Few People"
A few points that stood out to me from the article:
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I was thus pleasantly surprised when HBO’s “Chernobyl” writer and director, Craig Mazin, tweeted on April 8, “The lesson of Chernobyl isn’t that modern nuclear power is dangerous. The lesson is that lying, arrogance, and suppression of criticism are dangerous.” Mazin later told a reporter, “I’m pro-nuclear power, I think that nuclear power is essential to combat climate change.” He later agreed with a tweet that said Chernobyl could not happen in the US. Mazin insisted that his mini-series would stick to the facts. "I defer to the less dramatic version of things,” Mazin said, adding, “you don’t want to cross a line into the sensational."
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I was left thinking that dozens of workers and firefighters were immediately killed, but according to the official United Nations report (p. 66) on the accident, just two workers, not dozens, or hundreds, were killed within a few hours of the explosion.
Neither of the workers died from radiation. One was killed by the rubble from the explosion and the other by thermal burns from the fire.
Two weeks later, firefighters and first responders started to die. Having been burned in the fire appears to have played a major role.
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If the body of the man who propped open the door to the reactor hall really did bleed, it would have had to have been from the fire, or hot metal door, not the radiation.
Similarly, the red faces of the workers would have been from the fire, not the radiation. Radiation can redden skin but not until many days after exposure.
I don’t know if Mazin and HBO meant for viewers to assume that all of the symptoms that viewers witnessed were from radiation, instead of from fire, or that many more workers and firefighters died right away than actually did, but that was the impression I was left with.
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Chernobyl’s total death toll is small compared to other famous disasters. According to the United Nations, 28 first responders died a few weeks after the accident, and since then 19 died for ”various reasons” including tuberculosis, cirrhosis of the liver, heart attacks, and trauma. The U.N. concluded that “the assignment of radiation as the cause of death has become less clear.”
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:45 am to cas4t
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I think I just watched the youtube video. He touches the fricking boot??
I don't remember if he touches it. I know he gets close to it with his counter and it goes off-scale high.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:47 am to Tiger Ryno
Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:56 am to Tiger Ryno
For those watching the HBO series there is an associated podcast where the director is interviewed about each episode. He goes into detail of what was going on and what actually happened but could not fit in the series. Really interesting.
Chernobyl Podcast
Chernobyl Podcast
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:01 pm to When in Rome
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I thought this was an interesting article (previously shared on the Movie/TV board thread about the HBO documentary) for anyone who might be interested.
Forbes Article - "The Reason They Fictionalize Nuclear Disasters Like Chernobyl Is Because They Kill So Few People"
I'm not sure I'm down with that author's rosy view of the Chernobyl disaster.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:22 pm to When in Rome
PBS's Nova series had a great episode on the "next" generation of nuclear reactors that is being sold as meltdown proof - there is big money behind it. The lack of research and investment in nuclear tech, due to all the red tape and NIMBY-ism,
borders on criminal.
borders on criminal.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:32 pm to sneakytiger
If radiation is being counted on a Geiger counter (Frisker) then it is very low levels of radiation. A frisker is generally used to determine contamination not radiation due to its low threshold for radiation due to saturation of the counter. For example if you were in a room with a frisker and ten feet away was an object reading 10 mRem/hr the frisker would be pegged out on the highest scale. On average a human being picks up around 600 mRem per year from naturally occuring radiation. A worker in a commercial nuclear plant is allowed to pick up 2000 mRem per year which just changed last year from 1000 mRem per year. So taking a few day visit to Chernobyl would pose zero risk in the reason why someone contracts cancer.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:34 pm to dr smartass phd
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140 Amazing un-seen photos from the Chernobyl disaster
From that link:
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It’s often stated that radiation has no taste, but the men who absorbed the highest doses at Chernobyl all reported a metallic taste in their mouths immediately upon exposure, so it seems that if the dose is high enough to kill you, you will definitely taste it. While every person’s body reacts slightly differently, the following is a good general indicator of the consequences of extreme doses of radiation.
You’ll begin to vomit and feel nauseous almost immediately, and within a short space of time, your tongue and eyes will swell, slowly followed by the rest of your body. You’ll feel weakened, as if the strength has been drained from you. If you have received a high dose of direct exposure - as in this scenario - your skin will turn dark red within moments, a phenomenon often called nuclear sunburn. Within an hour or two of exposure, you’ll gain a pounding headache, a fever and diarrhoea, after which you’ll go into shock and pass out.
You’ll begin to vomit and feel nauseous almost immediately, and within a short space of time, your tongue and eyes will swell, slowly followed by the rest of your body. You’ll feel weakened, as if the strength has been drained from you. If you have received a high dose of direct exposure – as in this scenario – your skin will turn dark red within moments, a phenomenon often called nuclear sunburn. Within an hour or two of exposure, you’ll gain a pounding headache, a fever and diarrhoea, after which you’ll go into shock and pass out.
After this initial bout of symptoms, there is often a latent period during which you will start to feel like you’re recovering. The nausea will recede, along with some swelling, though other symptoms will remain. This latent period varies in duration from case to case, and of course it depends on the dose, but it can last a few days. It’s cruel, because it gives you hope, only to then get much, much worse. The vomiting and diarrhoea will return, along with delirium. There will be an unstoppable, excruciating pain throughout your body, from your skin down to your bones, and you’ll bleed from your nose, mouth and rectum. Your hair will fall out, your skin will tear easily, crack and blister, and then slowly turn black.
Your bones will rot, forever destroying your body’s ability to create new blood cells. As you near the end, your immune system will completely collapse, your lungs, heart and other internal organs will begin to disintegrate, and you’ll cough them up. Your skin will eventually break down completely, all but guaranteeing infection. One man from Chernobyl reported that when he stood up his skin slipped down off his leg like a sock. At high doses, radiation will change the very fabric of your DNA, turning you quite literally into a person other than the one you were before. And then you’ll die, in agony.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:41 pm to TigerstuckinMS
One I saw, he touches it and the guy filming tells him to stop.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:45 pm to elposter
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It’s often stated that radiation has no taste, but the men who absorbed the highest doses at Chernobyl all reported a metallic taste in their mouths immediately upon exposure, so it seems that if the dose is high enough to kill you, you will definitely taste it.
The same phenomenon was reported by people who were killed in several U.S. criticality accidents (Slotin, Daghlian, etc.) as well as many people who were massively irradiated (and probably should have died) but lived, as well as people who were non-fatally irradiated. Many also reported feeling hot or flushed all over their body.
It happens, but nobody knows for sure why. It's not as if people are lining up to get dosed in a proper double-blind experiment. Some people think that it's because the intense radiation is directly activating sensory neurons. Others think it's psychosomatic and a fear response to the realization of the enormity of what they'd been exposed to.
EDIT: That guy taking the picture of the elephant's foot always tastes metal because of the brass constantly leaching into his bloodstream from his balls.
This post was edited on 5/16/19 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:46 pm to elposter
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It’s often stated that radiation has no taste, but the men who absorbed the highest doses at Chernobyl all reported a metallic taste in their mouths immediately upon exposure, so it seems that if the dose is high enough to kill you, you will definitely taste it.
The Enola Gay crew reported the same thing.
I assume the reason is the radiation strikes atoms in the mouth and creates metals. But a chemist or other expert would be better suited to confirm that.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:01 pm to GetCocky11
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The new confinement structure they built over the reactor is impressive.
Yeah; just as much as the old one.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:02 pm to Tiger Ryno
The guy in that video looks like Dooshay
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:02 pm to TigerstuckinMS
Alpha Particle
An alpha particle is just a helium nucleus without any electrons -- two protons and two neutrons. It has a much greater mass than beta particles, and consequently a much shorter range. Ordinarily, it travels at about a tenth of the speed of light. When a nucleus ejects an alpha particle, its atomic number decreases by 2 and its mass decreases by 4, so it is now a different element. A sheet of tissue paper or the surface layer of your skin is sufficient to stop an alpha particle, so they have relatively little penetrating power. They are more dangerous if the material emitting alpha particles has been introduced into the human body, in which case they become extremely dangerous.
Beta Particles
A beta particle is an electron. When a nucleus emits a beta particle, one of its neutrons changes into a proton, so the atomic number increases by 1 and it is now a different element. Beta particles travel at about 90 percent of the speed of light and have a hundred times more penetrating power than alpha particles; a sheet of aluminum will stop them however, and they only penetrate about a centimeter into human flesh.
Gamma Rays
Slice and dice you and turns you into goulash.
An alpha particle is just a helium nucleus without any electrons -- two protons and two neutrons. It has a much greater mass than beta particles, and consequently a much shorter range. Ordinarily, it travels at about a tenth of the speed of light. When a nucleus ejects an alpha particle, its atomic number decreases by 2 and its mass decreases by 4, so it is now a different element. A sheet of tissue paper or the surface layer of your skin is sufficient to stop an alpha particle, so they have relatively little penetrating power. They are more dangerous if the material emitting alpha particles has been introduced into the human body, in which case they become extremely dangerous.
Beta Particles
A beta particle is an electron. When a nucleus emits a beta particle, one of its neutrons changes into a proton, so the atomic number increases by 1 and it is now a different element. Beta particles travel at about 90 percent of the speed of light and have a hundred times more penetrating power than alpha particles; a sheet of aluminum will stop them however, and they only penetrate about a centimeter into human flesh.
Gamma Rays
Slice and dice you and turns you into goulash.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:05 pm to dr smartass phd
Goulash is delicious.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:27 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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I assume the reason is the radiation strikes atoms in the mouth and creates metals.
From what? The radiation isn't creating metals. It's damaging tissue and releasing blood into your mouth.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:35 pm to MountainTiger
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I saw a documentary on Chernobyl years ago about a group of scientists that visited the sarcophagus every so often to survey how it was holding up (not very well) and to record any changes that were happening inside.
There were about 5-10 of them, iirc. They asked the leader of the team why they did it. He said that somebody had to and they were the ones qualified to do it. All of those guys are dead now -- not from radiation or cancer but from heart attacks due to the stress of being in that place.
sure. every single one died from stress. Radiation wasnt part of the problem.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 3:36 pm to dr smartass phd
I'ma teach y'all a little Soviet Union 101:
This slogan Slava Trudu! (Glory to the Labor!) was all over buildings in the former Soviet Union.
Here's another view from near Chernobyl:
One more, I don't know where....
This slogan Slava Trudu! (Glory to the Labor!) was all over buildings in the former Soviet Union.
Here's another view from near Chernobyl:
One more, I don't know where....
This post was edited on 5/16/19 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 5/16/19 at 3:59 pm to soccerfüt
The Soviets were masters at building places to live that make you want to die.
This post was edited on 5/16/19 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 5/16/19 at 4:29 pm to TigerstuckinMS
Saw a documentary on it couple years ago. They were in one of the villages. The leaves fall off the trees but they dont decay they just pile up. Their fear is a forest fire that could spread the radioactive material all over
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