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re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:08 am to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:08 am to Roger Klarvin
We are talking about an all powerful God that spoke light into existence that did this.
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Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:09 am to tiger25
Sure:
Mark 16:1 - Three women visit Jesus' tomb: Mary Magdalene, a second Mary, and Salome
Matthew 28:1 - Two women visit Jesus' tomb: Mary Magdalene and another Mary
Luke 24:10 - At least five women visit Jesus' tomb: Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, Joanna, and "other women."
John 20:1 - One woman visits Jesus' tomb: Mary Magdalene. She later fetches Peter and another disciple, something she does not do in any of the other gospels.
Mark 16:1 - Three women visit Jesus' tomb: Mary Magdalene, a second Mary, and Salome
Matthew 28:1 - Two women visit Jesus' tomb: Mary Magdalene and another Mary
Luke 24:10 - At least five women visit Jesus' tomb: Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, Joanna, and "other women."
John 20:1 - One woman visits Jesus' tomb: Mary Magdalene. She later fetches Peter and another disciple, something she does not do in any of the other gospels.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:10 am to Uncle Stu
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now that, is neither a guess nor a supposition
thats a fact
beejon is well known for, well, not knowing much of anything. He's myopically focused on the very very specific original, 200 year old "Darwin Theory of Evolution" - even when you point out that the entire scientific community freely admits that that has evolved and changed drastically as evidence and scientific research piles in to improve, and modify the original theory.
he is very particular to type "Darwinistic" in every one of his posts, because, in his feeble mind, you (despite your education) are arguing Darwin's original hypothesis, and he thinks he has you dead to rights
As usual, personal attacks but no support for Darwinian evolution which is based on guesses and suppositions.
Personal attacks don't bother me at all.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:10 am to Lokistale
That's what I'm telling you. The Hebrew words literally meant chaos and restoring order.
Translation: a God day. Probably a real long time.
Doesn't science agree that the universe came from chaos and you believe that the 1 to the 1,00,000th power of chance required in Darwinism is legit although the bible itself told us 2000 years ago what science just proved 50 years back.
Translation: a God day. Probably a real long time.
Doesn't science agree that the universe came from chaos and you believe that the 1 to the 1,00,000th power of chance required in Darwinism is legit although the bible itself told us 2000 years ago what science just proved 50 years back.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:11 am to tiger25
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We are talking about an all powerful God that spoke light into existence that did this.
actually, it was Zeus' present to Artemis for her 3rd birthday - this was documented well before the bible
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:11 am to beejon
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As usual, personal attacks but no support for Darwinian evolution which is based on guesses and suppositions.
Do you really believe that evolutionary theories are based on guesses and suppositions?
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:11 am to tiger25
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We are talking about an all powerful God that spoke light into existence that did this.
So it's not that you're asking for contradictions, it's that you're asking for contradictions that can withstand your retort of "MAGIC!" as the answer for how it happened.
You should have said that and saved these poor fools the effort of responding to you...
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:12 am to Roger Klarvin
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The amount of water required to submerge the entire earth does not exist. It is physically impossible to cover every inch of land with water.
But if the Bible is taken literally... that was what happened...
Are you questioning the validity of the Bible... the word of God?
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:13 am to Cap Crunch
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Do you really believe that evolutionary theories are based on guesses and suppositions?
Theories? I suspect you're going to go into 'scientific' doublespeak now, that's usually what happens. Proof doesn't mean proof, evidence doesn't mean evidence.
Yes, the "theories" of Darwinism are nothing more than unproven guesses and suppositions.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:13 am to Cap Crunch
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These stories were passed by word of mouth before being written down so of course each gospel is going to have a few details different. That's the whole point in having 4 gospels
But then how can I trust any of it as fact?
This is supposed to be the divinely inspired word of an omniscient God, "word of mouth" errors wont cut it. People's eternal souls are at stake here, this is a HUGE oversight by God.
There are dozens and dozens of contradictions within the four gospels alone. The New Testement actually mentions fulfilled prophecies that don't even exist in the Old Testement. There are inconsistencies within the genealogies. These are big issues if we want to say this book is divinely inspired.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:15 am to beejon
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Personal attacks don't bother me at all
it wasnt a personal attack, and at no time while typing did I even once consider how you would react, nor do I care
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:17 am to Uncle Stu
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beejon is well known for, well, not knowing much of anything.
Not a personal attack? Of course it is.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:17 am to beejon
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Theories? I suspect you're going to go into 'scientific' doublespeak now, that's usually what happens. Proof doesn't mean proof, evidence doesn't mean evidence.
Yes, the "theories" of Darwinism are nothing more than unproven guesses and suppositions.
Evolution is exponentially more well understood and far more thoroughly studied than gravity, but I don't see anyone fearing that they will float away in their sleep tonight.
You deny evolution not for a valid reason but because it contradicts your beliefs. If you were consistent, you'd deny anything less well understood than evolution as well. Furthermore, you would deny all services that resulted from the study of evolution. No more antibiotics, farm raised meat products or pet dogs for you.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:18 am to Roger Klarvin
Just because God inspired them to write it down doesn't mean he told them exactly what to write. No matter what God can inspire anyone to do, it doesn't change the fact that we are still human.
FWIW, this is from an article that someone posted on the first page, and this portion pretty accurately describes how I feel:
FWIW, this is from an article that someone posted on the first page, and this portion pretty accurately describes how I feel:
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On February 4th, the Creation Museum will host a sold-out debate that’s generating a lot of buzz in the blogosphere. The debate will feature Bill Nye “The Science Guy” versus Answers in Genesis’ Ken Ham on the old “Creation Vs. Evolution” debate. This debate, and the buzz around it has generated a lot of mixed feelings for me– I am one of those people who believe in both creationism and evolution– believing both the Bible and science while rejecting the notion that the two, when properly understood, are somehow completely incompatible.
I don’t believe they are.
I believe both that “in the beginning God created” and that science reveals the wonders of how God did it, and I hold those two affirmations with relatively little friction between one and the other.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:19 am to beejon
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Theories? I suspect you're going to go into 'scientific' doublespeak now, that's usually what happens. Proof doesn't mean proof, evidence doesn't mean evidence.
Yes, the "theories" of Darwinism are nothing more than unproven guesses and suppositions.
No, you don't know what a theory is. I saw a great post about this on Reddit yesterday, trying to find it
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:21 am to beejon
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Yes, the "theories" of Darwinism are nothing more than unproven guesses and suppositions.
Oh, you're that same god damn troll that wants a link between an oak tree and an elephant.
frick you. That is all.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:22 am to Cap Crunch
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No matter what God can inspire anyone to do, it doesn't change the fact that we are still human.
So God is allowing human error to endanger the eternal souls of EVERYONE?
Do you know how many people have stopped believing specifically because of biblical contradictions? This is a HUGE issue.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:22 am to Roger Klarvin
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Roger Klarvin
Kudos on deciding to take up this fight. I've gone down this road many MANY times here...
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:24 am to Cap Crunch
Found it
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:25 am to Roger Klarvin
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Evolution is exponentially more well understood and far more thoroughly studied than gravity, but I don't see anyone fearing that they will float away in their sleep tonight.
There's evidence for gravity. There's absolutely no evidence for Darwinian evolution. None. Zero. Nada
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You deny evolution not for a valid reason but because it contradicts your beliefs.
I deny Darwinian evolution because there's no evidence for it. It's a faith based belief system based solely on guesses and suppositions.
[/quote] If you were consistent, you'd deny anything less well understood than evolution as well. Furthermore, you would deny all services that resulted from the study of evolution. No more antibiotics, farm raised meat products or pet dogs for you.[/quote]
You're attempting to link antibiotics, farm raised meat products or pet dogs to Darwinian evolution, an exercise which fails. Darwinian evolution guesses and supposes that over billions of years, by random events, life was created more and more diverse and complex until we see the current variety and complexity of life today. There's no evidence, no proof, for such a view. It's a faith based belief system.
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